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Cloudflare just published a vibe coded blog post claiming they implemented Matrix on cloudflare workers.

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  • lexinova@cyberplace.socialL lexinova@cyberplace.social

    @JadedBlueEyes And even if they did, centralize a decentralised system on cloudflare what a good idea

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    #34

    @lexinova@cyberplace.social @JadedBlueEyes@tech.lgbt I think it is fundamentally interesting to try and port software to run on cloudflare workers. Like, it's a stack with very different assumptions and tradeoffs. Having alternatives is always nice. I don't think it's bad for this to exist. I don't see how that leads to centralization.

    But the execution is bad. Lmao.

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    • sodiboo@gaysex.cloudS sodiboo@gaysex.cloud

      @lexinova@cyberplace.social @JadedBlueEyes@tech.lgbt I think it is fundamentally interesting to try and port software to run on cloudflare workers. Like, it's a stack with very different assumptions and tradeoffs. Having alternatives is always nice. I don't think it's bad for this to exist. I don't see how that leads to centralization.

      But the execution is bad. Lmao.

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      #35

      @sodiboo @JadedBlueEyes because Cloudflare own half of internet ?

      if it's not centralizing even more ... what is this ?

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      • jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbtJ jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbt

        Cloudflare just published a vibe coded blog post claiming they implemented Matrix on cloudflare workers. They didn't, their post and README is AI generated and the code doesn't do any of the core parts of matrix that make it secure and interoperable. Instead it's littered with 'TODO: Check authorisation' and similar

        https://blog.cloudflare.com/serverless-matrix-homeserver-workers/

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        #36

        @JadedBlueEyes The first paragraph smelled like total BS.

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        • jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbtJ jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbt

          Oh and to top things off, they make trivially false claims in their post. Tuwunel and its predecessors do not and have never used Postgres or Redis.

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          #37

          @JadedBlueEyes@tech.lgbt Oh yeah. Wait what the fuck. Even i know this and I've never touched the codebase. It's rocksdb and there was at one point SQLite, right?

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          • jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbtJ jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbt

            Honestly this is almost insulting to me, as someone who has spent a nontrivial amount of effort developing a Matrix homeserver, with how low effort it is. And what’s the point? Marketing? I’m not gonna be trusting anything Cloudflare after this.

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            #38

            @JadedBlueEyes@tech.lgbt

            I’m not gonna be trusting anything Cloudflare after this.
            as if you should've been doing this in the first place

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            • jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbtJ jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbt

              Cloudflare just published a vibe coded blog post claiming they implemented Matrix on cloudflare workers. They didn't, their post and README is AI generated and the code doesn't do any of the core parts of matrix that make it secure and interoperable. Instead it's littered with 'TODO: Check authorisation' and similar

              https://blog.cloudflare.com/serverless-matrix-homeserver-workers/

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              #39

              @JadedBlueEyes@tech.lgbt reminder that half of the internet relies on these people. I’m scared for the future

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              • jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbtJ jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbt

                Oh and to top things off, they make trivially false claims in their post. Tuwunel and its predecessors do not and have never used Postgres or Redis.

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                #40

                @JadedBlueEyes
                It has always been RocksDB, right?
                Oh, Conduit also supports SQLite iirc

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                • silo_bear@mastodon.socialS silo_bear@mastodon.social

                  @JadedBlueEyes

                  Holy crap. I would not expect this from an industry giant (Though I guess I should.)

                  That certainly shatters my trust in cloudflare a bit. #devops #programming #networking

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                  #41

                  @silo_bear @JadedBlueEyes Seriously.

                  Before this: "Well, CloudFlare at least has smart people working there I guess."

                  After this: "CloudFlare are sloperators."

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                  • darkcat09@gts.dc09.xyzD darkcat09@gts.dc09.xyz

                    @JadedBlueEyes
                    It has always been RocksDB, right?
                    Oh, Conduit also supports SQLite iirc

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                    #42

                    @darkcat09 Conduit started with Sled, and then moved to a KV abstraction that let them add RocksDB and SQLite support. Conduwuit then removed everything but RocksDB, which is what Tuwunel and Conduwuit are forked from

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                    • jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbtJ jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbt

                      Oh look, they’re trying to cover up what they did too

                      https://github.com/nkuntz1934/matrix-workers/commit/2d3969dd5e795caa3641d0e237e2b52ca0502463

                      Archive link for posterity:

                      https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://github.com/nkuntz1934/matrix-workers/commit/2d3969dd5e795caa3641d0e237e2b52ca0502463

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                      #43

                      @JadedBlueEyes The comments under this commit make it at least a bit funnier

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                      • jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbtJ jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbt

                        Honestly this is almost insulting to me, as someone who has spent a nontrivial amount of effort developing a Matrix homeserver, with how low effort it is. And what’s the point? Marketing? I’m not gonna be trusting anything Cloudflare after this.

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                        #44

                        @JadedBlueEyes
                        I don't think anyone should've ever trusted cloudflare before

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                        • jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbtJ jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbt

                          Cloudflare just published a vibe coded blog post claiming they implemented Matrix on cloudflare workers. They didn't, their post and README is AI generated and the code doesn't do any of the core parts of matrix that make it secure and interoperable. Instead it's littered with 'TODO: Check authorisation' and similar

                          https://blog.cloudflare.com/serverless-matrix-homeserver-workers/

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                          #45

                          @JadedBlueEyes So, what you're saying, is, this is "post-quantum" in the sense that its security properties will not be significantly degraded by the existence of working quantum computers.

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                          • jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbtJ jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbt

                            Cloudflare just published a vibe coded blog post claiming they implemented Matrix on cloudflare workers. They didn't, their post and README is AI generated and the code doesn't do any of the core parts of matrix that make it secure and interoperable. Instead it's littered with 'TODO: Check authorisation' and similar

                            https://blog.cloudflare.com/serverless-matrix-homeserver-workers/

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                            #46

                            @JadedBlueEyes I remember how they did same thing for activitypub, and it looked (and worked lol) like a very, very cheap & bad mastodon clone

                            To scale: it showed DMs in public timelines

                            https://github.com/cloudflare/wildebeest

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                            • jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbtJ jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbt

                              Oh look, they’re trying to cover up what they did too

                              https://github.com/nkuntz1934/matrix-workers/commit/2d3969dd5e795caa3641d0e237e2b52ca0502463

                              Archive link for posterity:

                              https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://github.com/nkuntz1934/matrix-workers/commit/2d3969dd5e795caa3641d0e237e2b52ca0502463

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                              #47

                              @JadedBlueEyes Oh yes, great fix. I also always resolve TODO comments by just deleting them. It'll be fine.

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                              • jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbtJ jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbt

                                Cloudflare just published a vibe coded blog post claiming they implemented Matrix on cloudflare workers. They didn't, their post and README is AI generated and the code doesn't do any of the core parts of matrix that make it secure and interoperable. Instead it's littered with 'TODO: Check authorisation' and similar

                                https://blog.cloudflare.com/serverless-matrix-homeserver-workers/

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                                #48

                                @JadedBlueEyes This is almost a minor criticism in comparison to all the other crap, but I am so sick of companies calling things 'serverless' when what they really mean is "servers, but only ours and they're really opaquely billed and impossible to replace with someone else's servers so you're stuck with us, and also they're managed in a totally custom way so none of your normal sysadmin skills are portable to it but you still have to learn how to manage it"

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                                • outsidecontext@fosstodon.orgO outsidecontext@fosstodon.org

                                  @JadedBlueEyes Oh yes, great fix. I also always resolve TODO comments by just deleting them. It'll be fine.

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                                  #49

                                  @outsidecontext Same. It’s the fastest way to resolve it, and that means it’s the best, right?

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                                  • jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbtJ jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbt

                                    Cloudflare just published a vibe coded blog post claiming they implemented Matrix on cloudflare workers. They didn't, their post and README is AI generated and the code doesn't do any of the core parts of matrix that make it secure and interoperable. Instead it's littered with 'TODO: Check authorisation' and similar

                                    https://blog.cloudflare.com/serverless-matrix-homeserver-workers/

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                                    #50

                                    @JadedBlueEyes this is the best PR https://github.com/nkuntz1934/matrix-workers/pull/1/changes

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                                    • jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbtJ jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbt

                                      Cloudflare just published a vibe coded blog post claiming they implemented Matrix on cloudflare workers. They didn't, their post and README is AI generated and the code doesn't do any of the core parts of matrix that make it secure and interoperable. Instead it's littered with 'TODO: Check authorisation' and similar

                                      https://blog.cloudflare.com/serverless-matrix-homeserver-workers/

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                                      #51

                                      @JadedBlueEyes@tech.lgbt worst game of spot the difference i have ever played

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                                      • jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbtJ jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbt

                                        Oh look, they’re trying to cover up what they did too

                                        https://github.com/nkuntz1934/matrix-workers/commit/2d3969dd5e795caa3641d0e237e2b52ca0502463

                                        Archive link for posterity:

                                        https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://github.com/nkuntz1934/matrix-workers/commit/2d3969dd5e795caa3641d0e237e2b52ca0502463

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                                        #52

                                        @JadedBlueEyes This takes it from "lazy and disappointing" to "actively malicious". One quick apology blogpost would fix this, but they're doubling down, aren't they?

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                                        • jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbtJ jadedblueeyes@tech.lgbt

                                          Cloudflare just published a vibe coded blog post claiming they implemented Matrix on cloudflare workers. They didn't, their post and README is AI generated and the code doesn't do any of the core parts of matrix that make it secure and interoperable. Instead it's littered with 'TODO: Check authorisation' and similar

                                          https://blog.cloudflare.com/serverless-matrix-homeserver-workers/

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                                          #53

                                          @JadedBlueEyes oh, what a disappointment. I don't understand that much so I trusted their post 😳

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