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  • scottishgreens@mastodon.scotS scottishgreens@mastodon.scot

    ✈️Private jet flights are 30 times more polluting than regular flights.

    After years of campaigning from Scottish Green MSPs, the Scottish Government is set to introduce a private jet tax!

    fourt4@mastodonapp.ukF This user is from outside of this forum
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    #5

    @ScottishGreens is it really necessary to break a nation to achieve this?

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    • fourt4@mastodonapp.ukF fourt4@mastodonapp.uk

      @ScottishGreens is it really necessary to break a nation to achieve this?

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      #6

      @FourT4 @ScottishGreens
      Which nation is being broken?

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      • highlandlawyer@mastodon.socialH highlandlawyer@mastodon.social

        @FourT4 @ScottishGreens
        Which nation is being broken?

        proedie@mastodon.greenP This user is from outside of this forum
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        #7

        @HighlandLawyer @FourT4 @ScottishGreens Scotland. Didn't you read the headline?

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        • scottishgreens@mastodon.scotS scottishgreens@mastodon.scot

          ✈️Private jet flights are 30 times more polluting than regular flights.

          After years of campaigning from Scottish Green MSPs, the Scottish Government is set to introduce a private jet tax!

          guillotine_jones@beige.partyG This user is from outside of this forum
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          #8

          @ScottishGreens
          Let the private plane fuckers pay for their privilege.
          The age of externalized costs needs to be brought to a screeching halt, in my opinion.

          feloniouspunk@beige.partyF octothorpe@mastodon.onlineO 2 Replies Last reply
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          • scottishgreens@mastodon.scotS scottishgreens@mastodon.scot

            ✈️Private jet flights are 30 times more polluting than regular flights.

            After years of campaigning from Scottish Green MSPs, the Scottish Government is set to introduce a private jet tax!

            jonasdahl@expressional.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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            #9

            @ScottishGreens It's okay that hard working people get more money. It's actually fair.
            But no body needs so much money that a private jet is an option.
            Stop producing private jets. Tax will not make any difference since money is no problem for these people.

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            • scottishgreens@mastodon.scotS scottishgreens@mastodon.scot

              ✈️Private jet flights are 30 times more polluting than regular flights.

              After years of campaigning from Scottish Green MSPs, the Scottish Government is set to introduce a private jet tax!

              franciswashere@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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              #10

              @ScottishGreens
              Wait a couple of years (and in the meantime double private fossil fuel plane hire).

              BBC News - Electric plane could take to Scottish skies 'very soon'.
              https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c17vrvn15ppo

              #ElectricPlanes

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              • geoffl@mastodon.me.ukG geoffl@mastodon.me.uk

                @ScottishGreens

                Commercial flights are reponsible for 50 times the pollution of private planes, as their global share of aviation emissions.

                Banning all private planes would cut global emissions by less than 2%.

                Ban all flights using fossil fuels.

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                #11

                @geoffl @ScottishGreens 2% of global emissions for something completely frivolous for the overly rich is massive!

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                • scottishgreens@mastodon.scotS scottishgreens@mastodon.scot

                  ✈️Private jet flights are 30 times more polluting than regular flights.

                  After years of campaigning from Scottish Green MSPs, the Scottish Government is set to introduce a private jet tax!

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                  #12

                  @ScottishGreens I excitedly told my climate activist daughter about this but she was in another room and thought I said that Scotland was introducing Proto-Jet Pants. 😄

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                  • lieschenrelleum@kolektiva.socialL lieschenrelleum@kolektiva.social

                    @geoffl @ScottishGreens 2% of global emissions for something completely frivolous for the overly rich is massive!

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                    #13

                    @LieschenrelleuM @ScottishGreens

                    50 times more emissions for holidays and business jollies is 50 times worse.

                    Taxing private flights won't stop those flights or save the planet. The true green way is to campaign against all the most wasteful forms of travel and for electric trains and busses run off renewables.

                    Fake greens only interested in class war will stand by while the world dies.

                    Taxing 2% of the emissions? Whoop-de-fucking-do. 🤮

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                    • scottishgreens@mastodon.scotS scottishgreens@mastodon.scot

                      ✈️Private jet flights are 30 times more polluting than regular flights.

                      After years of campaigning from Scottish Green MSPs, the Scottish Government is set to introduce a private jet tax!

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                      #14

                      @ScottishGreens woohoo we need more nations doing this.

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                      • scottishgreens@mastodon.scotS scottishgreens@mastodon.scot

                        ✈️Private jet flights are 30 times more polluting than regular flights.

                        After years of campaigning from Scottish Green MSPs, the Scottish Government is set to introduce a private jet tax!

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                        #15

                        @ScottishGreens@mastodon.scot

                        Good plan.

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                        • scottishgreens@mastodon.scotS scottishgreens@mastodon.scot

                          ✈️Private jet flights are 30 times more polluting than regular flights.

                          After years of campaigning from Scottish Green MSPs, the Scottish Government is set to introduce a private jet tax!

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                          #16

                          @ScottishGreens 30 times what?

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                          • scottishgreens@mastodon.scotS scottishgreens@mastodon.scot

                            ✈️Private jet flights are 30 times more polluting than regular flights.

                            After years of campaigning from Scottish Green MSPs, the Scottish Government is set to introduce a private jet tax!

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                            @ScottishGreens This is good

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                            • geoffl@mastodon.me.ukG geoffl@mastodon.me.uk

                              @ScottishGreens

                              Commercial flights are reponsible for 50 times the pollution of private planes, as their global share of aviation emissions.

                              Banning all private planes would cut global emissions by less than 2%.

                              Ban all flights using fossil fuels.

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                              #18

                              @geoffl @ScottishGreens

                              How does that break down per passenger, excluding crew?

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                              • kevinrns@mstdn.socialK kevinrns@mstdn.social

                                @ScottishGreens@mastodon.scot

                                Good plan.

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                                #19

                                @kevinrns I once saw an even stronger proposal: require private jets to use only the biomass-based "sustainable" jet fuel. This now costs several times what petro jet fuel costs, but I doubt its any worse than 100ll (low-LEAD) for piston powered planes.

                                The effect of this would be to require the rich with their mini-airliner size private jets to subsidize a potential airline industry transition off of petroleum. That of course works if and only if the "sustainable" jet fuel scales up big enough to use in airliners. The demand to feed all those thirsty corporate jets would encourage the makers of the "sustainable" fuel to ramp up production, lowering per-gallon costs. Supposedly the feedstocks can include

                                "food and yard waste portion of municipal solid waste, woody biomass, fats/greases/oils, and other feedstock"

                                https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/sustainable-aviation-fuel

                                If this in fact does not scale (and there is no guarantee it will), airlines will eventually have to transition to much slower solar/prop powered planes that should still be fast enough to outrun cars and certainly most ships. Bullet trains though would outrun them on land. The fastest Asian bullet trains are a match speedwise for early WWII fighter aircraft.

                                I don't understand why the rich need to fly such huge planes, some models of which BTW are big enough that airlines use them on lower traffic routes.

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                                • lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL lukefromdc@kolektiva.social

                                  @kevinrns I once saw an even stronger proposal: require private jets to use only the biomass-based "sustainable" jet fuel. This now costs several times what petro jet fuel costs, but I doubt its any worse than 100ll (low-LEAD) for piston powered planes.

                                  The effect of this would be to require the rich with their mini-airliner size private jets to subsidize a potential airline industry transition off of petroleum. That of course works if and only if the "sustainable" jet fuel scales up big enough to use in airliners. The demand to feed all those thirsty corporate jets would encourage the makers of the "sustainable" fuel to ramp up production, lowering per-gallon costs. Supposedly the feedstocks can include

                                  "food and yard waste portion of municipal solid waste, woody biomass, fats/greases/oils, and other feedstock"

                                  https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/sustainable-aviation-fuel

                                  If this in fact does not scale (and there is no guarantee it will), airlines will eventually have to transition to much slower solar/prop powered planes that should still be fast enough to outrun cars and certainly most ships. Bullet trains though would outrun them on land. The fastest Asian bullet trains are a match speedwise for early WWII fighter aircraft.

                                  I don't understand why the rich need to fly such huge planes, some models of which BTW are big enough that airlines use them on lower traffic routes.

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                                  @LukefromDC @kevinrns I understand the idea behind making their travel more expensive, but what if we just let much less skilled folx do the maintenance work on their planes as a cost saving measure, and then gutted the training budget for their mechanics, so that they died every time they tried to fly. It would accomplish the goal a lot quicker, and be lauded for saving money!

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                                  • guillotine_jones@beige.partyG guillotine_jones@beige.party

                                    @ScottishGreens
                                    Let the private plane fuckers pay for their privilege.
                                    The age of externalized costs needs to be brought to a screeching halt, in my opinion.

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                                    @Guillotine_Jones @chrisp @ScottishGreens

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                                    • guillotine_jones@beige.partyG guillotine_jones@beige.party

                                      @ScottishGreens
                                      Let the private plane fuckers pay for their privilege.
                                      The age of externalized costs needs to be brought to a screeching halt, in my opinion.

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                                      @Guillotine_Jones @ScottishGreens @FeloniousPunk This is a good opinion.

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                                      • chrisnelsonsdog@mstdn.socialC chrisnelsonsdog@mstdn.social

                                        @LukefromDC @kevinrns I understand the idea behind making their travel more expensive, but what if we just let much less skilled folx do the maintenance work on their planes as a cost saving measure, and then gutted the training budget for their mechanics, so that they died every time they tried to fly. It would accomplish the goal a lot quicker, and be lauded for saving money!

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                                        #23

                                        @chrisnelsonsdog @kevinrns Problem with that would be that a Learjet or a Gulfstream crashing into someone's house on the ground would likely burn it to the ground and kill everyone inside.

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                                        • chrisnelsonsdog@mstdn.socialC chrisnelsonsdog@mstdn.social

                                          @LukefromDC @kevinrns I understand the idea behind making their travel more expensive, but what if we just let much less skilled folx do the maintenance work on their planes as a cost saving measure, and then gutted the training budget for their mechanics, so that they died every time they tried to fly. It would accomplish the goal a lot quicker, and be lauded for saving money!

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                                          #24

                                          @chrisnelsonsdog @LukefromDC@kolektiva.social

                                          Paying for something you do is normal.

                                          Consequences aren't punishments.

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