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  3. There was this consensus of not going to X after Elon Musk turned it into a right-wing hellhole but I see more and more especially journalists going back "because the AI people are there".

There was this consensus of not going to X after Elon Musk turned it into a right-wing hellhole but I see more and more especially journalists going back "because the AI people are there".

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  • misterdave@tilde.zoneM misterdave@tilde.zone

    @tante right wing hellhole people / ai people venn diagram: ⭕️

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    #46

    @misterdave @tante it'd be more accurate if the diagram was an asshole.

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    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

      There was this consensus of not going to X after Elon Musk turned it into a right-wing hellhole but I see more and more especially journalists going back "because the AI people are there".

      Yes, because the "AI" folks mostly agree with right wing talking points because that's what the whole idea of "AI" is build upon. That's a bad argument for relegitimizing X.

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      #47

      @tante

      PBS doc Ghost in the Machine talks about how the text guessing machine is deeply rooted in eugenics

      https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/documentaries/ghost-in-the-machine/

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      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

        There was this consensus of not going to X after Elon Musk turned it into a right-wing hellhole but I see more and more especially journalists going back "because the AI people are there".

        Yes, because the "AI" folks mostly agree with right wing talking points because that's what the whole idea of "AI" is build upon. That's a bad argument for relegitimizing X.

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        #48

        @tante they never learn

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        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

          There was this consensus of not going to X after Elon Musk turned it into a right-wing hellhole but I see more and more especially journalists going back "because the AI people are there".

          Yes, because the "AI" folks mostly agree with right wing talking points because that's what the whole idea of "AI" is build upon. That's a bad argument for relegitimizing X.

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          #49

          @tante
          so weird statements from both sides.

          some AI folk may be there, but that's because X/thread/etc. is where avg. people use.
          while AI itself isn't necessarily be right wing' stuff, but left wing bros mostly killed the good players

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            #50
            @tante @der_exil_hesse social.netdynamics.eu will be happy to welcome you on the fediverse, with all the advantages of Mastodon and without its limitations.
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            • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

              There was this consensus of not going to X after Elon Musk turned it into a right-wing hellhole but I see more and more especially journalists going back "because the AI people are there".

              Yes, because the "AI" folks mostly agree with right wing talking points because that's what the whole idea of "AI" is build upon. That's a bad argument for relegitimizing X.

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              #51

              @tante

              I left X when I came over here. I just couldn't take any more. At the time, I was still working - and I quit as much to avoid the bad reputation X carried with it.

              I can't remember when Twitter was ever cool

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              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                There was this consensus of not going to X after Elon Musk turned it into a right-wing hellhole but I see more and more especially journalists going back "because the AI people are there".

                Yes, because the "AI" folks mostly agree with right wing talking points because that's what the whole idea of "AI" is build upon. That's a bad argument for relegitimizing X.

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                #52

                @tante

                Not just that, but the AI people there are the TESCREAL, Silicon Valley types, and journalists still getting their stories from Xitter is why this conception is amplified and presented as given in media discourse.

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                • theeclecticdyslexic@mstdn.socialT theeclecticdyslexic@mstdn.social

                  @glyph @tante the one problem with that metric is fedi tends to have a higher rate of fall off. People join, stay active for about a few months, then stop being active.

                  There is a sort of worrying consistency to the number of active users, despite people signing up all the time.

                  There are definitely a few factors to this, but it's something many of the devs connected to various parts are trying to figure out if they can improve. I think mastodon follow groups was one attempt at this.

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                  #53

                  @theeclecticdyslexic @glyph @tante

                  Mastodon isn't designed to be addictive, unlike a lot of other social media systems which do their best to create an addictive feed.

                  I am not surprised that people try out non-addictive things and then stop. That feels healthy. That falloff in use is, in a healthier world, probably what more things would see.

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                  • passenger@kolektiva.socialP passenger@kolektiva.social

                    @theeclecticdyslexic @glyph @tante

                    Mastodon isn't designed to be addictive, unlike a lot of other social media systems which do their best to create an addictive feed.

                    I am not surprised that people try out non-addictive things and then stop. That feels healthy. That falloff in use is, in a healthier world, probably what more things would see.

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                    #54

                    @passenger @theeclecticdyslexic @glyph I wouldn't say that Mastodon "isn't designed to be addictive". It shares a lot of the foundational logic of those kinds of platforms and therefore inherits some issues.

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                      #55

                      @passenger @theeclecticdyslexic @glyph sure. Mastodon is trying not to move in that direction and to limit harms. It's a lot better than many other networks in that regard. I just wouldn't give it a full pass.

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