I was about to Have Opinions about the threats the US is making to Greenland, Denmark and Europe, then realised I have nothing useful to add, so I pressed Delete.
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@CiaraNi @hanscees Sorry for being boring, but just felt like writing this: (And you probably know this already, but others might not.)
Personally I use the term "umlaut" only to describe the phenomenon in German and Swedish (and possibly other Germanic languages) where the spelling of a word changes when it is inflected in plural so that to an "a" or "o" the two dots are added. Like "Apfel" (apple) (singular) -> "Äpfel" (apples) (plural), or in Swedish "man" (man) -> "män" (men).
But not all instances of ä or ö in German or Swedish are umlauts. For instance "Käse" (cheese) in German or kärna (kernel) in Swedish are not plural, and are not some other inflection either of a corresponding word without the dots. There is no corresponding word "Kase" or "karna".
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It upsets me that there are no umlauts in the word umlaut
@CiaraNi nor is there an apostrophe in the word apostrophe, nor . . . [you get the idea]
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@hanscees Sorry, that only made sense inside my head. And it's not even all umlauts. The New Yorker insists on persisting with the use of diaeresis - naïve, coöperation, etc
Edited to add: I love your meme there
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@ben_b_here @tml I'm trying and failing to pronounce these, but having fun trying
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It upsets me that there are no umlauts in the word umlaut
@CiaraNi Could manage one on a diëresis.
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@czottmann I need them to start spelling the word with so many umlauts too, please, because it feels wrong without them
@CiaraNi ümläütß
There you go
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And the word 'stød' isn't pronounced with a stød in it. What's with that?!@wannabemystiker @CiaraNi I think it depends on what side of the "stødgrænse" (dunno how to translate that) you are.
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well, there's this: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%C3%BCmlaut@jbiserkov It says it's a "hyperforeign misspelling', but I'd vote for it.
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@CiaraNi Umlaut has a case of 'do as I say and not as I do'
@penpencilbrush yes indeed, and that's the kind of thing up with which I will not put
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@CiaraNi ümläütß
There you go
@czottmann Haha, danke very much, that's a pleasing collection of letters
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@CiaraNi
And the word 'stød' isn't pronounced with a stød in it. What's with that?!@wannabemystiker I know, right? When Mette Frederiksen is finished with Trump, we'll ask her to get on to fixing this next.
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@wannabemystiker @CiaraNi I think it depends on what side of the "stødgrænse" (dunno how to translate that) you are.
https://dialekt.ku.dk/maanedens_emne/stoedgraensen/@tanghus @wannabemystiker That's a very interesting article. Thanks for sharing it. I've bookmarked for a deeper read later.
This pleased me to read:
"Men det er ikke danskerne syd for stødgrænsen der udtaler ordene underligt. Faktisk er det underligt at danskerne nord for stødgrænsen overhovedet begyndte at ’støde’.
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@CiaraNi nor is there an apostrophe in the word apostrophe, nor . . . [you get the idea]
@BooksandJohn We should really do something about that
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It upsets me that there are no umlauts in the word umlaut
@CiaraNi Maybe you could say in a Northern Irish accent and call it an an umlaüt? That's the only way I can see to put one in without mangling the sound of the word.
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@CiaraNi Could manage one on a diëresis.
@log That'd do
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@CiaraNi Maybe you could say in a Northern Irish accent and call it an an umlaüt? That's the only way I can see to put one in without mangling the sound of the word.
@timtfj Ah sure let's put at least two of them in there while we're at it. There are three vowels, so that'd still be quite restrained.
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, but the unrivalled density of ümläute / umlauts in the inflection table is quite a sight: ääkköstä & ääkösiä in the partitive case. Can't get any better than thät!
I never knew that.
