Imagine a stranger spreads lies about you.
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@FediTips some of your suggested blocklists are made by transphobes who keep misgendering and harassing trans people though
As far as I know I haven't suggested any specific blocklists, I've suggested people go to Oliphant's list of blocklists and see which of those lists is a fit for their server.
Are you saying Oliphant is problematic or have I misunderstood?
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@imbl @FediTips This was one of the flaws I was mentioning @FediTips There is nothing from stopping those people from using the system you have envisioned against you and abusing it. Especially as you say these people are able to gather large followings and get them to believe lies. So nothing is stopping them from lying and using the controls you want.
There ARE things stopping people from abusing the system, for example many of the blocklists have voting systems to prevent an individual adding stuff maliciously.
None of these methods are perfect, but it would be even worse to have no blocklist at all.
That's why I suggest admins look at the blocklists and their methodologies and choose the list(s) they feel are best and most reliable.
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@FediTips @e_t_wright
What if it’s on Nostr, but I can’t defederate from Nostr.AFAIK Nostr isn't part of the Fediverse. If there's a bridge, you can defederate the bridge.
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Then report that 'nah' to your admin.
Yup, if a server hosts a bigot and knows what they're up to but refuses to remove their account, the next step is to tell your own admin about this so they can consider defederating the rogue server.
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@klefstadmyr@vivaldi.net @FediTips@social.growyourown.services what if they just say 'nah' though
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@Cappyjax @FediTips so you basically are questioning the ability of critical thinking of the majority of your people? If so, trying to solve the initial problem with a maybe technical approach, would be fighting the symptoms instead of the root cause. Because the problem is then, that people more or less solely decide based on trust. Why they do that must be researched like maybe lack of education, the design of social media, cultural background, etc.
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@project1enigma @tauon @FediTips
This happened to me as well
@Energetic_Nova @tauon @FediTips
That's not good. Regrets.
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Yup, if a server hosts a bigot and knows what they're up to but refuses to remove their account, the next step is to tell your own admin about this so they can consider defederating the rogue server.
@FediTips @Orb2069 @tauon @klefstadmyr
Nice theory. "Don't tell us how to do moderation."
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@FediTips @e_t_wright @roknrol
This place is full of people who want me dead and I know it because they oppose democrats.
@Energetic_Nova @FediTips @e_t_wright @roknrol that's just horrible!
You are aware that there are many better moderated instances around? Mastodon.social has a pretty bad name, it's just too big to block for most servers. It's definitely worth looking around, if you're not doing that already.
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Imagine a stranger spreads lies about you. They tell people you're doing horrible depraved crimes. Would you just block them?
What happens when other people don't block them? When other people believe the lies and share them?
What if this turns into real life abuse and violence against you and your family?
This is what vulnerable groups face from bigots. Bigoted accounts need to be shut down, servers which refuse to remove bigots should be defederated.
"Just block them" doesn't work.
@FediTips, the main thing is not to turn out to be a bigot yourself, a bigot who blocks people simply for dissent. And it is important to remember that the main threat to the free Internet and freedom in general is not misguided people, but monopolies and the politicians who serve them.
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@Energetic_Nova @FediTips @e_t_wright @roknrol that's just horrible!
You are aware that there are many better moderated instances around? Mastodon.social has a pretty bad name, it's just too big to block for most servers. It's definitely worth looking around, if you're not doing that already.
@mees @FediTips @e_t_wright @roknrol
They said I was insulting people when I told them I hated them… but they called me illiterate. Which was an intelligence based insult… I dont think telling people you hate them for ruining their life is “insulting”. I think that is something else entirely. Its an emotion which I expressed. Which is not an insult. Its a feeling….
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@FediTips, the main thing is not to turn out to be a bigot yourself, a bigot who blocks people simply for dissent. And it is important to remember that the main threat to the free Internet and freedom in general is not misguided people, but monopolies and the politicians who serve them.
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Imagine a stranger spreads lies about you. They tell people you're doing horrible depraved crimes. Would you just block them?
What happens when other people don't block them? When other people believe the lies and share them?
What if this turns into real life abuse and violence against you and your family?
This is what vulnerable groups face from bigots. Bigoted accounts need to be shut down, servers which refuse to remove bigots should be defederated.
"Just block them" doesn't work.
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@FediTips @e_t_wright
What if it’s on Nostr, but I can’t defederate from Nostr.@itzpingcat@sakurajima.moe why can't you defederate nostr? /Genq
We were able to block them by defederating all the bridges, and that's worked perfectly ever since. -
Imagine a stranger spreads lies about you. They tell people you're doing horrible depraved crimes. Would you just block them?
What happens when other people don't block them? When other people believe the lies and share them?
What if this turns into real life abuse and violence against you and your family?
This is what vulnerable groups face from bigots. Bigoted accounts need to be shut down, servers which refuse to remove bigots should be defederated.
"Just block them" doesn't work.
@FediTips Yeap.. Happened to me too. Not on Fediverse but still and doesn't change the fact that I got at first harassed and verbally molested online and later in the real life brutally attacked and beaten by same a-holes. And all because the people who were obliged to react (admins and moderators of an well known, "reputable" IT forum) did not do so and, through their ignorance, allowed the escalation. What's more, they even tried to sweep the case under the carpet and delete the evidences.
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@alex
Bluesky as in the next oppressive and corrupt police state (because they apparently have centralized moderation).It wasnt a sincere suggestion but an explanation of why oppressing your fellow people does not work but the conditions need to change. As in bluesky is what happens when you try to solve an issue with more instead of less oppression.
As I said, fanon wrote about this. Alexandra Kollontai did too in "the social basis of the woman question"
@FediTipsThe usual dilemma. Instead of addressing the criticism of the Fediverse, which has been described very well here, some people prefer to write "Bluesky is stupid." The uncomfortable truth is that the accounts that were kicked off Bluesky for anti-Semitism have found a good home in the Fediverse and are still being courted here.
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The usual dilemma. Instead of addressing the criticism of the Fediverse, which has been described very well here, some people prefer to write "Bluesky is stupid." The uncomfortable truth is that the accounts that were kicked off Bluesky for anti-Semitism have found a good home in the Fediverse and are still being courted here.
@zotheca
Yikes. Theres a lot to unpack here.First of all, nice strawman! You definitely know that your fake criticism does not adress anything that was written and only tries to trigger people.
Second, mixing antisemitism allegations in a discussion is no red flag AT ALL, right?
I suggest you walk along. I dont think we have anything constructive to discuss.
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Imagine a stranger spreads lies about you. They tell people you're doing horrible depraved crimes. Would you just block them?
What happens when other people don't block them? When other people believe the lies and share them?
What if this turns into real life abuse and violence against you and your family?
This is what vulnerable groups face from bigots. Bigoted accounts need to be shut down, servers which refuse to remove bigots should be defederated.
"Just block them" doesn't work.
p.s. If anyone wants a specific real life example of this actually happening, here is one:
TL:DR -
A black grandfather played with his white grandchildren in the park, their family videoed it as it was a wholesome scene.
Far right racists stole the video and lied about its context, claiming it was actually an immigrant trying to abduct kids. The video and lies were shared to millions of people. The innocent grandfather is threatened in the street and lives in fear.
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@zotheca
Yikes. Theres a lot to unpack here.First of all, nice strawman! You definitely know that your fake criticism does not adress anything that was written and only tries to trigger people.
Second, mixing antisemitism allegations in a discussion is no red flag AT ALL, right?
I suggest you walk along. I dont think we have anything constructive to discuss.
@alex @FediTips„I suggest you walk along. I dont think we have anything constructive to discuss.“
I suggest you start with yourself and simply don't respond.
