A new progress report on living with (Net)BSD, with some artistry, too.
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@wyatt The support for 140 is about to be dropped :<
I'm thinking maybe I should reject the modernity, get Retrozilla compiling, and then embark on a multi-year crusade of fixing vulnerabilities in it T_T Idk
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@rfnix I started preparing for the NetBSD move when systemd became ensloppified and the Linux kernel mail list didn't show much concern about it. At this point I knew that things are going to be "interesting".
Frankly speaking, things are in a bit of a dangerous position. Well, "a bit" might be an understatement.
One can't have a modern operating system without a modern compiler. Both LLVM and GCC are embracing LLMs (to a different degree). Not sure what's going to replace them, if anything.
There are other parts of the stack that are in a similar position... Sigh.
@nina_kali_nina @rfnix
Maybe QBE can take over from gcc & llvm?
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A new progress report on living with (Net)BSD, with some artistry, too.
This original illustration is
succubusdaemon. Installed by runningpkg_add succu, and can be started with default settings with/etc/rc.d/succu onestart.She's a bit wonky and rough around the corners, and she looks more like a ghost than a succubus. But she's highly configurable, and her ~source code~ incantation spell is written by a human being and can be understood by a human being as well.
The illustration is a mix of traditional and digital art, and all the digital parts were done on NetBSD 11.
Thread start!
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@nina_kali_nina cute mascot 🥺 -
@the_wub OpenBSD doesn't allow AI code based on the legality/license grounds, it seems. Which makes it a bit dangerous, I feel
@nina_kali_nina @the_wub i have to agree although it pains me to do so -
@elebertus I like the analogy because it can be stretched further: in some places, in some circumstances, it is easier to be vegan, because it is common and understood. And there are many reasons why people choose one diet and not the other: religion, upbringing, ethics, environment concerns, health concerns, simple preference. I think there are similarly many reasons to avoid LLMs in their varieties.
Additionally, I like that "vegan" is a non-negative descriptor. It's more than just "meat-free" or "anti-meat". This makes me think that like-minded people could benefit from a descriptor that is not "No-AI" or "AI-free". I have not found such a word yet, admittedly
@nina_kali_nina @elebertus Something that humans have and which LLMs lack, that could be used to construct a non-negative descriptor is a body. It's tempting to talk about things being handmade, or hand-typed, but that does exclude people that for whatever reason don't type using their hands.
Maybe something like "embodied" would work? We'd want to make it clear that the creator of the software is embodied, as opposed to the software. "Body-produced"? "Body-sourced"? "Body-made"?
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@nina_kali_nina @the_wub i have to agree although it pains me to do so@nina_kali_nina @the_wub
http://megatokyo.moe/dl/edge_pixel_art_editor/
also can't remember how openbsd tablet support is but i may need to keep my non-updated debian system around for my old usb wacom i suppose, i know openbsd doesn't support serial digitizers like my x61 tablet uses but think there might be some usb support
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@jana Depends on what you consider "pre-genAI". There's a script for using stable diffusion in the editor since v1.1; I wouldn't be surprised if some code in v1.1 was "co-piloted", given that the author's attitude towards LLMs and gen-AI seems to be quite approving.
@nina_kali_nina Got it, thank you :)!
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A new progress report on living with (Net)BSD, with some artistry, too.
This original illustration is
succubusdaemon. Installed by runningpkg_add succu, and can be started with default settings with/etc/rc.d/succu onestart.She's a bit wonky and rough around the corners, and she looks more like a ghost than a succubus. But she's highly configurable, and her ~source code~ incantation spell is written by a human being and can be understood by a human being as well.
The illustration is a mix of traditional and digital art, and all the digital parts were done on NetBSD 11.
Thread start!
🧵 1/?
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@the_wub OpenBSD doesn't allow AI code based on the legality/license grounds, it seems. Which makes it a bit dangerous, I feel
@nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt @the_wub@mastodon.social is NetBSD's objection different from OpenBSD's in this case? What makes theirs more dangerous. (Non-challenging tone, I actually don't know anything).
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@nina_kali_nina @rfnix
Maybe QBE can take over from gcc & llvm?
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Oh god, I hope QBE doesn't get ensloppified. -
@nina_kali_nina cute mascot 🥺
@tammeow Thank you
I was hoping to draw something in PC98 style, but ran out of energy. I have a quick preview of a higher-resolution version, but I don't like the pose and the outfit in the sketch, so I probably will redraw from scratch one day -
@csgraves I suppose one option - that I'm seriously considering - is using obsolete software on period-correct hardware, just without any internet access. It isn't a way forward, but it can postpone the pain somewhat
@nina_kali_nina Do you also remember the days of single user computing and not being online all the time? We should go back to that.
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@nina_kali_nina @kirtai @rfnix Huh, TIL where Quentin works at.
That said Hare has a policy against LLMs so if QBE would get ensloppified there would be a fork, and so far from what I've gathered in hare channels, he would want to avoid that. -
@nina_kali_nina @the_wub
http://megatokyo.moe/dl/edge_pixel_art_editor/
also can't remember how openbsd tablet support is but i may need to keep my non-updated debian system around for my old usb wacom i suppose, i know openbsd doesn't support serial digitizers like my x61 tablet uses but think there might be some usb support
is the situation better in netbsd?@wyatt
OpenBSD, afaik, doesn't support pressure-sensitivity and do not plan to support pressure sensitivity. At the same time, the tablets I have all seem to work fine as simple digitisers.NetBSD has some support for pressure sensitivity for a couple of Intuos tablets, and has out-of-the-tree support for more Wacom and Huion tablets. The tablet driver I'm using reports pressure sensitivity just fine, but the X applications somehow do not receive it - presumably it should be possible to fix. I'm looking into it, among many other things.
cc @the_wub
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@nina_kali_nina @rfnix
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@nina_kali_nina @kirtai @rfnix Huh, TIL where Quentin works at.
That said Hare has a policy against LLMs so if QBE would get ensloppified there would be a fork, and so far from what I've gathered in hare channels, he would want to avoid that.@lanodan @rfnix @nina_kali_nina
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Another major computing need that I (and most others) have is modern internet. Things are not looking super great here.
For now, I'm using a fork/LTS release of Firefox. How long until it stops being supported, and the only option for a browser that can open modern web would be LLM-tainted one? Probably a month or so at best (and it's possible that the one I have is already tainted).
Using an outdated browser is a security risk I'm not willing to take.
So, I'll try to use more of sm0l web - Gemini, Gopher, no-js web. It's not the same.
I probably will still have to compromise on my "LLM boycott" and use a tainted web browser. I don't know, honestly. Sorry, I wish I knew what to do about it.
Ah, that was quite a long rant!
Thanks for reading. I guess what I wanted to say is that things aren't too bad on this side. Could've been better, but I'm managing to scrape by, making choices that I find important.
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@nina_kali_nina Thanks for sharing all this, Nina. The journey is fascinating. Some of us (me) aren’t as smart as you and maybe can’t complete the same journey… all I know is, I have the same thoughts and feelings.
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@lanodan @rfnix @nina_kali_nina
Well, at least it's not as gigantic as llvm & gcc.@kirtai @rfnix @nina_kali_nina Yeah, definitely a project I consider forkable.
And I've lightly checked the diffs between the last few versions as part of packaging it for Gentoo (and got few very basic commits in QBE). -
@nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt @the_wub@mastodon.social is NetBSD's objection different from OpenBSD's in this case? What makes theirs more dangerous. (Non-challenging tone, I actually don't know anything).
@BlueCaller now that you say that, I guess the difference here is that NetBSD has actually changed their policy saying explicitly that the code from LLMs is tainted, while OpenBSD did not, and even ingested some LLM-authored code in upstream (through "grandfathered" projects).
The truly anti-AI BSDs that are not "timecapsuled forks" right now are HyperbolaBSD and MirBSD, but it's going to be even harder to use them...
cc @the_wub
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@nina_kali_nina Do you also remember the days of single user computing and not being online all the time? We should go back to that.
@csgraves 100%
