#EuropeanUnion #EU#YesBut
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Yes, you can travel and work with the same rights,
But, why are Polish, Romanian, Slovenian and Bulgarian workers still exploited in NL and many other (richer) EU member states?
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@papush_ @marcohackney That would be a valid point if the nation states would not try to impose mass surveillance and be influenced by lobbyist.
On the contrary, EU law & courts have often crushed local practises, just look at data retention without cause in various EU states.
@boink @marcohackney national governments having issues doesn't make having a super government on top with the same issues but at a bigger scale any better, on the contrary it makes it worse.
more recently the EU bent the knee to the US to save the german car lobby and they're in the process of allowing companies to lie about recycled plastic on packaging to help that particular lobby too.
oh, and they're going to negatively impact working conditions for many in exchange for making a quick buck with a deal with india by selling luxury cars there now that the chinese market for them is dying down -
@boink @marcohackney national governments having issues doesn't make having a super government on top with the same issues but at a bigger scale any better, on the contrary it makes it worse.
more recently the EU bent the knee to the US to save the german car lobby and they're in the process of allowing companies to lie about recycled plastic on packaging to help that particular lobby too.
oh, and they're going to negatively impact working conditions for many in exchange for making a quick buck with a deal with india by selling luxury cars there now that the chinese market for them is dying down@papush_ @marcohackney I'm simply stating that a judgement, that only emphasises problems in a sector and ignores positive impact is oversimplified
You criticised EU plans to ease mass surveillance, I reminded that EU courts also stopped mass surveillance.
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@marcohackney@todon.eu can they also please let me have encrypted messaging
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@marcohackney One Thing to correct: No, you have NOT the same working rights in the EU countrys. There are no EU wide working rights, each country have their own. Please do not spread wrong things.
Here's an article in german that shows how different are working rights in the countrys:
https://www.betriebsrat.de/news/arbeitnehmer/wo-geht-es-arbeitnehmern-am-besten-20450@onlytina I think that you misunderstood the claim. It means the EU rule that as a EU citizen, I have the right to study, live, and work where I want and when I want: I'm free to choose.
Of course, every country then has also national laws (as long as we are not the United States Of Europe). But no country can take away this right of a free choice! It's the same right in every EU state.
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@papush_ @marcohackney I'm simply stating that a judgement, that only emphasises problems in a sector and ignores positive impact is oversimplified
You criticised EU plans to ease mass surveillance, I reminded that EU courts also stopped mass surveillance.
@boink @marcohackney i'm interested, got a source/case name i could look up? -
@marcohackney I hope enough people recognize these advantages of the #EU. - Otherwise many members states have growing far-right movements and parties... what is it that they don't understand?!
@mmol I think that this problem doesn't start on an EU level but by national problems. And at the same time it's an international, nearly global problem, because in hard transition times, these people work with fears.
Unfortunately, the EU does not have any truly effective security mechanisms to exclude fascist states, for example. (When these mechanisms were made, the problem didn't exist yet). -
@marcohackney what does the second image mean? free mobile data roaming? I've never had that on any of my phone plans!
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@marcohackney anyway services provide by Europe are to wealthy and white people by design...
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So. why all the deregulation with the omnibuses?
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@boink @marcohackney i'm interested, got a source/case name i could look up?
Czech was the latest country, where the supreme court deciced that their data retention violates EU law.
2022 the German data retention was zapped by Court of Justice of the EU.
https://eucrim.eu/news/cjeu-german-rules-on-data-retention-not-in-line-with-eu-law/
I don't have time for sources in other countries, but I'm aware of various other countries like Austria, Romania, Ireland, France and Sweden where policies were either abandoned or drastically cut.
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@marcohackney what does the second image mean? free mobile data roaming? I've never had that on any of my phone plans!
@yukijoou
If You have a data plan in any EU country, the plan still applies when visiting a different EU country. Before 2017 local providers could (and did) apply extra roaming charges:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_roaming_regulations
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@marcohackney I still have to pay for beer. I WANT FREE BEER.
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thanks, eu
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Czech was the latest country, where the supreme court deciced that their data retention violates EU law.
2022 the German data retention was zapped by Court of Justice of the EU.
https://eucrim.eu/news/cjeu-german-rules-on-data-retention-not-in-line-with-eu-law/
I don't have time for sources in other countries, but I'm aware of various other countries like Austria, Romania, Ireland, France and Sweden where policies were either abandoned or drastically cut.
@boink @marcohackney i guess that is nice, but i feel like we're aiming in a direction where they'll go from enforcing privacy to enforcing mass surveillance soon. i feel like the lucky short while we had were some light amount of care was put in protecting privacy has run out already.
nowadays they want to enforce mass surveillance, meanwhile american tech companies keep spying on us in exchange for paying fines -
@boink @marcohackney i guess that is nice, but i feel like we're aiming in a direction where they'll go from enforcing privacy to enforcing mass surveillance soon. i feel like the lucky short while we had were some light amount of care was put in protecting privacy has run out already.
nowadays they want to enforce mass surveillance, meanwhile american tech companies keep spying on us in exchange for paying fines@papush_ @marcohackney The EU, to some extent, is only the sum of its pieces so it obviously follows the general backlash. That sucks, but is no EU issue.
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@papush_ @marcohackney The EU, to some extent, is only the sum of its pieces so it obviously follows the general backlash. That sucks, but is no EU issue.
@papush_ @marcohackney I don't want to start on past achievements like increase in wealth and an unusual long period of relative peace but rather want to look ahead. Without a common European voice all European nations won't have any stand against China, Russia and the US. One can debate what "European values" are actually worth... but it certainly a step up compared to these dog-eat-dog powers.
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@papush_ @marcohackney The EU, to some extent, is only the sum of its pieces so it obviously follows the general backlash. That sucks, but is no EU issue.
@boink @marcohackney i feel like the higher up the government is the less individuals have a say in it, i think that's what bothers me most -
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