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  3. The LLM discourse on the Fediverse has really irked me the last few days.

The LLM discourse on the Fediverse has really irked me the last few days.

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  • doomed_daniel@mastodon.gamedev.placeD doomed_daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place

    @mollymay5000 @reading_recluse
    putting middle-finger emojis in my texts because almost all other emojis indicate that it was written by an LLM

    (JFC I fucking hate those texts or even technical documentation full of 🤓 ✨ 😊 🚀 and IDK what other shit)

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    @Doomed_Daniel @mollymay5000 @reading_recluse maybe explore more of what unicode has to offer? 𓂺

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    • papageier@digitalcourage.socialP papageier@digitalcourage.social

      @Enthalpiste @sortius @reading_recluse While it is certainly possible that there were also other economic reasons behind the rise of mechanical looms, the fundamental driver was the same that now drives the progress of AI/LLM: improve productivity, reduce costs, make more money. Frederick Winslow Taylor all over. If you don't believe it, I have nearly a thousand billion dollars in the market to prove my point.

      So documented.

      Now, let's hear your expertise, shall we?

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      @papageier @sortius @reading_recluse It is more complicated than that and private industrial financial incentives are only a restrained and poor explanation. There has always been arguments for the state to keep people in the campaign and the economy crafts centered, this keeps people busy in the fields and goods of high quality reserved to the wealthiest as they require high amount of labour to be made. The push for mamechanization is essentially caused by a combination of extrinsic and intrinsic factors, mainly armement and colonialist expansions for colonies exploitation. The industrialisation is a by-product of that. This is discussed in the scientific literature: https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691247489/the-wealth-of-a-nation

      Also I teach basics in scientific study of work in an industry oriented curriculum at university and integrated such informations as part of one of my introductory classes. Taylors view are interesting to know in this context but clearly outdated and historically incorrect.

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      • mollymay5000@sunny.gardenM mollymay5000@sunny.garden

        @reading_recluse I spend a lot of my time these days trying not to send middle finger emojis to people to be honest... Probably isn't very socially acceptable, but it's how I feel.

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        @mollymay5000 @reading_recluse is such a good answer to things

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        • violetmadder@kolektiva.socialV violetmadder@kolektiva.social

          @adrianww @reading_recluse

          The only way anything this aggressively useless gets investment on this scale, is when it's a weapon.

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          @violetmadder@kolektiva.social @adrianww@mastodon.scot @reading_recluse@c.im

          even then, it's not like anyone is checking the rubble of gaza to see how many 'terrorists' were actually killed by the AI guided bombs, because by their reasoning they are all terrorists...

          So it's real function on the battlefield is to obfuscate responsibility for war crimes

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          • papageier@digitalcourage.socialP papageier@digitalcourage.social

            @reading_recluse You do wear machine-woven cloth, though, no?

            Seriously: Why?

            It's exploitative, the quality is mediocre, it kills jobs, it's a waste of resources, consumes vast amounts of energy, hinders creativity, destroys small businesses, forces uniformity onto people ... why wear it?

            Because not doing so would be a waste of time. And time is the one resource that's (still) strictly limited for all of us. We compromise on the quality of clothing (debatable), in order to do other things we couldn't if we were still weaving cloth manually.

            When mechanical weaving machines came about, the workers threw their wooden shoes, in French 'Sabot', into the machines to stop them.

            All that is left of this effort is a word describing the futile attempt: Sabotage.

            So protest all you like, it's just not going to get you anywhere.

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            @papageier@digitalcourage.social @reading_recluse@c.im

            This is such a lazy argument:: You can WEAR clothing.

            No one wants to read AI generated text, AI images are hideous. Beyond some niche industrial cases, which are not the focus of the hyperscalers, LLM's are generally useless and a massive waste of resources. The entire industry is based on a speculative, utopian fantasy of created an AGI that will solve all problems. It's utopian fantasy mixed with sunk cost fantasy.

            It's like saying "why eat human shit when you can now eat robot generated shit.

            Also sabotage and worker resistance got workers everything they ever had.

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