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  3. I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol.

I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol.

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  • ggrey@social.thelab.unoG ggrey@social.thelab.uno

    I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol. But if you register with an instance and it goes down, all users under that instance go down with it. It happened a couple of months ago @ matrix.com and everybody knows it.

    Differently, Delta Chat allows users to register same account on different relays so if the main goes down, users can just switch relay and keep chatting.

    That makes Delta Chat one step ahead. Prove me wrong.

    #matrix #deltachat #messagingapp @delta

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    @ggrey

    Places burden of protecting one's identity onto end user. Anywhere else, if your account gets stolen, you can try contacting admins, changing password, logging out unknown devices. With @delta, user is one underportected device and QR scan away from unrecoverable grand theft account.

    I find the trade-off fair and in fact quiet like it, but it assumes the end user is being careful and protects their device well. And in many cases users are, unfortunately, rather lousy with their gadgets and data.

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    • noctilua@social.noleron.comN noctilua@social.noleron.com

      @ggrey

      Places burden of protecting one's identity onto end user. Anywhere else, if your account gets stolen, you can try contacting admins, changing password, logging out unknown devices. With @delta, user is one underportected device and QR scan away from unrecoverable grand theft account.

      I find the trade-off fair and in fact quiet like it, but it assumes the end user is being careful and protects their device well. And in many cases users are, unfortunately, rather lousy with their gadgets and data.

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      @noctilua

      If you loose your device nowadays, normally your first priority is how to go back home without Uber 😱

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      • ggrey@social.thelab.unoG ggrey@social.thelab.uno

        @noctilua

        If you loose your device nowadays, normally your first priority is how to go back home without Uber 😱

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        @ggrey

        I think we as a society need a better culture for keeping and taking care of personal devices, but yeah, here we are needing smartfone for literally everything.

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        • noctilua@social.noleron.comN noctilua@social.noleron.com

          @ggrey

          Places burden of protecting one's identity onto end user. Anywhere else, if your account gets stolen, you can try contacting admins, changing password, logging out unknown devices. With @delta, user is one underportected device and QR scan away from unrecoverable grand theft account.

          I find the trade-off fair and in fact quiet like it, but it assumes the end user is being careful and protects their device well. And in many cases users are, unfortunately, rather lousy with their gadgets and data.

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          @noctilua

          > Anywhere else, if your account gets stolen, you can try contacting admins, changing password, logging out unknown devices

          [unable to decrypt]

          > With delta, user is one underportected device and QR scan away from unrecoverable grand theft account.

          worse case you tell everyone to kick the old profile from groups etc. and write to you from the new one

          stealing your profile is not so easy unless you use phone without PIN, with multi-device as backup is hard to lose it

          @ggrey

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          • ggrey@social.thelab.unoG ggrey@social.thelab.uno

            I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol. But if you register with an instance and it goes down, all users under that instance go down with it. It happened a couple of months ago @ matrix.com and everybody knows it.

            Differently, Delta Chat allows users to register same account on different relays so if the main goes down, users can just switch relay and keep chatting.

            That makes Delta Chat one step ahead. Prove me wrong.

            #matrix #deltachat #messagingapp @delta

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            #22

            @ggrey @delta

            #matrix #deltachat #messagingapp

            These two projects adress very different kimds of chats. While I love DeltaChat
            for 1:1 chats, or small groups, setting up a big group, where people may join, or leave at will, is a major PITA compared to Matrix.

            Matrix replaces Slack, Telegram, or Teams. Delta replaces Whatsapp, or Signal. Different goals, different solutions, and different tradeoffs.

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              @ggrey @delta

              #matrix #deltachat #messagingapp

              These two projects adress very different kimds of chats. While I love DeltaChat
              for 1:1 chats, or small groups, setting up a big group, where people may join, or leave at will, is a major PITA compared to Matrix.

              Matrix replaces Slack, Telegram, or Teams. Delta replaces Whatsapp, or Signal. Different goals, different solutions, and different tradeoffs.

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              @cdonat How do the voice and video call capabilities of @delta compared to Signal?

              Sorry to say, but #Delta could be great when it comes to an out of band solution in case other services are down. Having that said I think #Jami might even have better potential on this matter.

              @ggrey

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              • secupriv@mastodon.nlS secupriv@mastodon.nl

                @cdonat How do the voice and video call capabilities of @delta compared to Signal?

                Sorry to say, but #Delta could be great when it comes to an out of band solution in case other services are down. Having that said I think #Jami might even have better potential on this matter.

                @ggrey

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                @secupriv @cdonat

                Calls are experimental now and i do rely on Signal atm for them but there is work on progress and will be implemented properly with next releases.

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                • ggrey@social.thelab.unoG ggrey@social.thelab.uno

                  @secupriv @cdonat

                  Calls are experimental now and i do rely on Signal atm for them but there is work on progress and will be implemented properly with next releases.

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                  #25

                  @ggrey sounds good. One of the main reasons not to continue with my experiment was the absence of calling capabilities.

                  @cdonat

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                  • ggrey@social.thelab.unoG ggrey@social.thelab.uno

                    I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol. But if you register with an instance and it goes down, all users under that instance go down with it. It happened a couple of months ago @ matrix.com and everybody knows it.

                    Differently, Delta Chat allows users to register same account on different relays so if the main goes down, users can just switch relay and keep chatting.

                    That makes Delta Chat one step ahead. Prove me wrong.

                    #matrix #deltachat #messagingapp @delta

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                    @ggrey Oh I just experienced this!! the instance I was regirstered on went down! no more Matrix for me 😞

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                    • ggrey@social.thelab.unoG ggrey@social.thelab.uno

                      I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol. But if you register with an instance and it goes down, all users under that instance go down with it. It happened a couple of months ago @ matrix.com and everybody knows it.

                      Differently, Delta Chat allows users to register same account on different relays so if the main goes down, users can just switch relay and keep chatting.

                      That makes Delta Chat one step ahead. Prove me wrong.

                      #matrix #deltachat #messagingapp @delta

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                      @ggrey @delta

                      Exactly why we promoted Delta Chat in Iran.
                      When a server gets blocked, users simply switch to another relay without losing history or contacts seamless migration Matrix doesn't have yet.

                      Plus Delta Chat servers are lightweight and anyone can run one. Agreed, it's one step ahead.

                      Take a lesson from free software.

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