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  • ricci@discuss.systemsR ricci@discuss.systems

    Hachyderm is the El Paso of the Fediverse

    It can be kind of hard to understand how big a server (instance) on the Fediverse really is. I know mastodon.social is much bigger than the server I'm on, but how much bigger, really?

    So what if we compare the populations of servers to cities?

    I built a tool for that! https://arewedecentralizedyet.online/fedicities/

    Let's compare mastodon.social, the biggest server on the Fediverse, to the biggest city in the world, Shanghai (pop 24.9M). In comparison, pixelfed.social is like Ahmedabad, India (pop 6.4M). hachyderm.io is like El Paso, Texas (pop 679K). The server I'm on, discuss.systems, is like Eisenhüttenstadt, Germany (pop 32.1K).

    Cool but maybe I'm not so familiar with some of those cities. What if we compare to cities in Mexico? (mastodon.social is Mexico City, Hachyderm is Tepic) Or Ontario? (mastodon.social is Toronto, Hachyderm is Caledon).

    Play around with this tool, select an area of the world you're familiar with, and get a better sense for how big all these servers really are! Check out what your own server is comparable to!

    drangnon@hachyderm.ioD This user is from outside of this forum
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    #8

    RE: https://discuss.systems/@ricci/116022130481291531

    I could swear I have seen multiple accounts from multiple servers attack #hachyderm over the last two years for being so goddamn big, like mastodon.social

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    • ricci@discuss.systemsR ricci@discuss.systems

      Hachyderm is the El Paso of the Fediverse

      It can be kind of hard to understand how big a server (instance) on the Fediverse really is. I know mastodon.social is much bigger than the server I'm on, but how much bigger, really?

      So what if we compare the populations of servers to cities?

      I built a tool for that! https://arewedecentralizedyet.online/fedicities/

      Let's compare mastodon.social, the biggest server on the Fediverse, to the biggest city in the world, Shanghai (pop 24.9M). In comparison, pixelfed.social is like Ahmedabad, India (pop 6.4M). hachyderm.io is like El Paso, Texas (pop 679K). The server I'm on, discuss.systems, is like Eisenhüttenstadt, Germany (pop 32.1K).

      Cool but maybe I'm not so familiar with some of those cities. What if we compare to cities in Mexico? (mastodon.social is Mexico City, Hachyderm is Tepic) Or Ontario? (mastodon.social is Toronto, Hachyderm is Caledon).

      Play around with this tool, select an area of the world you're familiar with, and get a better sense for how big all these servers really are! Check out what your own server is comparable to!

      damonwakes@mastodon.sdf.orgD This user is from outside of this forum
      damonwakes@mastodon.sdf.orgD This user is from outside of this forum
      damonwakes@mastodon.sdf.org
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      #9

      @ricci This sounds neat, but it seems to have a very funny idea of what "global" means.

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      • damonwakes@mastodon.sdf.orgD damonwakes@mastodon.sdf.org

        @ricci This sounds neat, but it seems to have a very funny idea of what "global" means.

        ricci@discuss.systemsR This user is from outside of this forum
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        #10

        @DamonWakes hmmm... I assume this is after doing multiple searches, or is it on initial page load? Look like something isn't get cleared out properly

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        • ricci@discuss.systemsR ricci@discuss.systems

          Hachyderm is the El Paso of the Fediverse

          It can be kind of hard to understand how big a server (instance) on the Fediverse really is. I know mastodon.social is much bigger than the server I'm on, but how much bigger, really?

          So what if we compare the populations of servers to cities?

          I built a tool for that! https://arewedecentralizedyet.online/fedicities/

          Let's compare mastodon.social, the biggest server on the Fediverse, to the biggest city in the world, Shanghai (pop 24.9M). In comparison, pixelfed.social is like Ahmedabad, India (pop 6.4M). hachyderm.io is like El Paso, Texas (pop 679K). The server I'm on, discuss.systems, is like Eisenhüttenstadt, Germany (pop 32.1K).

          Cool but maybe I'm not so familiar with some of those cities. What if we compare to cities in Mexico? (mastodon.social is Mexico City, Hachyderm is Tepic) Or Ontario? (mastodon.social is Toronto, Hachyderm is Caledon).

          Play around with this tool, select an area of the world you're familiar with, and get a better sense for how big all these servers really are! Check out what your own server is comparable to!

          emily_s@mastodon.me.ukE This user is from outside of this forum
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          #11

          @ricci This is a pretty cool way to think about things. Really interesting thank you.

          I appreciate the option for not scaling things. Knowing mastodon.social is equivalent to the entire population of Preston is fascinating.

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          • ricci@discuss.systemsR ricci@discuss.systems

            @DamonWakes hmmm... I assume this is after doing multiple searches, or is it on initial page load? Look like something isn't get cleared out properly

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            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #12

            @ricci It's just done it first try on a fresh start in Firefox Focus (which shouldn't preserve anything between sessions). Any chance it's because I'm searching for mastodon.sdf.org?

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            • emily_s@mastodon.me.ukE emily_s@mastodon.me.uk

              @ricci This is a pretty cool way to think about things. Really interesting thank you.

              I appreciate the option for not scaling things. Knowing mastodon.social is equivalent to the entire population of Preston is fascinating.

              ricci@discuss.systemsR This user is from outside of this forum
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              #13

              @emily_s yeah that was how I originally built it, but it ended up with a lot of cities that are probably not as globally well known so I decided to make the scaling the default

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              • damonwakes@mastodon.sdf.orgD damonwakes@mastodon.sdf.org

                @ricci It's just done it first try on a fresh start in Firefox Focus (which shouldn't preserve anything between sessions). Any chance it's because I'm searching for mastodon.sdf.org?

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                #14

                @DamonWakes hmm, I've tried searching for the same server and I'm getting more global results (a city in Japan) so I'm not sure what's going on here. I did have some bugs related to searching earlier so it seems quite possible I didn't squash them all

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                • ricci@discuss.systemsR ricci@discuss.systems

                  Hachyderm is the El Paso of the Fediverse

                  It can be kind of hard to understand how big a server (instance) on the Fediverse really is. I know mastodon.social is much bigger than the server I'm on, but how much bigger, really?

                  So what if we compare the populations of servers to cities?

                  I built a tool for that! https://arewedecentralizedyet.online/fedicities/

                  Let's compare mastodon.social, the biggest server on the Fediverse, to the biggest city in the world, Shanghai (pop 24.9M). In comparison, pixelfed.social is like Ahmedabad, India (pop 6.4M). hachyderm.io is like El Paso, Texas (pop 679K). The server I'm on, discuss.systems, is like Eisenhüttenstadt, Germany (pop 32.1K).

                  Cool but maybe I'm not so familiar with some of those cities. What if we compare to cities in Mexico? (mastodon.social is Mexico City, Hachyderm is Tepic) Or Ontario? (mastodon.social is Toronto, Hachyderm is Caledon).

                  Play around with this tool, select an area of the world you're familiar with, and get a better sense for how big all these servers really are! Check out what your own server is comparable to!

                  aspensmonster@tenforward.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #15

                  @ricci I live in Iraan (Texas, US).

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                  • ricci@discuss.systemsR ricci@discuss.systems

                    @DamonWakes hmm, I've tried searching for the same server and I'm getting more global results (a city in Japan) so I'm not sure what's going on here. I did have some bugs related to searching earlier so it seems quite possible I didn't squash them all

                    damonwakes@mastodon.sdf.orgD This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #16

                    @ricci Please do let me know if you figure it out! I'd be keen to have another poke around. It is interesting to see the scale of the servers compared this way.

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                    • ricci@discuss.systemsR ricci@discuss.systems

                      Hachyderm is the El Paso of the Fediverse

                      It can be kind of hard to understand how big a server (instance) on the Fediverse really is. I know mastodon.social is much bigger than the server I'm on, but how much bigger, really?

                      So what if we compare the populations of servers to cities?

                      I built a tool for that! https://arewedecentralizedyet.online/fedicities/

                      Let's compare mastodon.social, the biggest server on the Fediverse, to the biggest city in the world, Shanghai (pop 24.9M). In comparison, pixelfed.social is like Ahmedabad, India (pop 6.4M). hachyderm.io is like El Paso, Texas (pop 679K). The server I'm on, discuss.systems, is like Eisenhüttenstadt, Germany (pop 32.1K).

                      Cool but maybe I'm not so familiar with some of those cities. What if we compare to cities in Mexico? (mastodon.social is Mexico City, Hachyderm is Tepic) Or Ontario? (mastodon.social is Toronto, Hachyderm is Caledon).

                      Play around with this tool, select an area of the world you're familiar with, and get a better sense for how big all these servers really are! Check out what your own server is comparable to!

                      lukyan@lukyan.euL This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #17

                      @ricci This is cool. I see the size difference as in mapping mastodon.social to the biggest city in the country I'm in maps what I think as big servers to what I wouldn't consider big enough to be a city, like districts of other cities. Both fedi and the country look too centralized, with software being optimized for huge instances and the central administration assuming everyone lives in the "default city".

                      (I've also learned the non-fedi fact that there is a city with the population of 307 people, less than a large apartment building.)

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                      • drmorr@hachyderm.ioD drmorr@hachyderm.io

                        @ricci Hey @hachyderm did you see this

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                        #18

                        @drmorr @ricci

                        Oh how cool!

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                        • ricci@discuss.systemsR ricci@discuss.systems

                          Hachyderm is the El Paso of the Fediverse

                          It can be kind of hard to understand how big a server (instance) on the Fediverse really is. I know mastodon.social is much bigger than the server I'm on, but how much bigger, really?

                          So what if we compare the populations of servers to cities?

                          I built a tool for that! https://arewedecentralizedyet.online/fedicities/

                          Let's compare mastodon.social, the biggest server on the Fediverse, to the biggest city in the world, Shanghai (pop 24.9M). In comparison, pixelfed.social is like Ahmedabad, India (pop 6.4M). hachyderm.io is like El Paso, Texas (pop 679K). The server I'm on, discuss.systems, is like Eisenhüttenstadt, Germany (pop 32.1K).

                          Cool but maybe I'm not so familiar with some of those cities. What if we compare to cities in Mexico? (mastodon.social is Mexico City, Hachyderm is Tepic) Or Ontario? (mastodon.social is Toronto, Hachyderm is Caledon).

                          Play around with this tool, select an area of the world you're familiar with, and get a better sense for how big all these servers really are! Check out what your own server is comparable to!

                          ljrk@todon.euL This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #19

                          @ricci TIL pixelfed is actually big o.O

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                          • lukyan@lukyan.euL lukyan@lukyan.eu

                            @ricci This is cool. I see the size difference as in mapping mastodon.social to the biggest city in the country I'm in maps what I think as big servers to what I wouldn't consider big enough to be a city, like districts of other cities. Both fedi and the country look too centralized, with software being optimized for huge instances and the central administration assuming everyone lives in the "default city".

                            (I've also learned the non-fedi fact that there is a city with the population of 307 people, less than a large apartment building.)

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                            #20

                            @lukyan there are so so many small ones, the list I'm using cuts off at 500 to avoid being too gigantic

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                            • drangnon@hachyderm.ioD drangnon@hachyderm.io

                              RE: https://discuss.systems/@ricci/116022130481291531

                              I could swear I have seen multiple accounts from multiple servers attack #hachyderm over the last two years for being so goddamn big, like mastodon.social

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                              #21

                              @draNgNon it's all relative, I guess, I'm sure there are people for who El Paso is the Big City too

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                              • jadp@mastodon.socialJ jadp@mastodon.social

                                @ricci does this mean that self-hosted, single-member instances are hermits in the cave interacting with platonic shadows from the meta-reality, bubbles in the quantum foam?

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                                #22

                                @jadp @ricci great, now I have to figure out how to brand my instance as a meta-reality bubble in the quantum foam.

                                I hope there's a setting for that.

                                🤣

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                                • ljrk@todon.euL ljrk@todon.eu

                                  @ricci TIL pixelfed is actually big o.O

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                                  #23

                                  @ljrk @ricci yeah. .social is where the Twitter uses ran to, pixelfed is where the Instagram users went to. If there's ever a fedi equivalent to Facebook, that will also be massive.

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                                  • dave@alvarado.socialD dave@alvarado.social

                                    @ljrk @ricci yeah. .social is where the Twitter uses ran to, pixelfed is where the Instagram users went to. If there's ever a fedi equivalent to Facebook, that will also be massive.

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                                    #24

                                    @dave @ljrk There is, Friendica, however, it has not taken off in the same way - I don't know why since I haven't used it

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                                    • ricci@discuss.systemsR ricci@discuss.systems

                                      @dave @ljrk There is, Friendica, however, it has not taken off in the same way - I don't know why since I haven't used it

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                                      #25

                                      @ricci @ljrk hmm, I wonder if it's either not actually a good substitute, or if Boomers generally aren't trying to flee big tech.

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                                      • ricci@discuss.systemsR ricci@discuss.systems

                                        @dave @ljrk There is, Friendica, however, it has not taken off in the same way - I don't know why since I haven't used it

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                                        #26

                                        @ricci @dave @ljrk because facebook is the only platform where is it still relatively about people you know like your family instead of being about the post contentd themselves

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                                        • ricci@discuss.systemsR ricci@discuss.systems

                                          Hachyderm is the El Paso of the Fediverse

                                          It can be kind of hard to understand how big a server (instance) on the Fediverse really is. I know mastodon.social is much bigger than the server I'm on, but how much bigger, really?

                                          So what if we compare the populations of servers to cities?

                                          I built a tool for that! https://arewedecentralizedyet.online/fedicities/

                                          Let's compare mastodon.social, the biggest server on the Fediverse, to the biggest city in the world, Shanghai (pop 24.9M). In comparison, pixelfed.social is like Ahmedabad, India (pop 6.4M). hachyderm.io is like El Paso, Texas (pop 679K). The server I'm on, discuss.systems, is like Eisenhüttenstadt, Germany (pop 32.1K).

                                          Cool but maybe I'm not so familiar with some of those cities. What if we compare to cities in Mexico? (mastodon.social is Mexico City, Hachyderm is Tepic) Or Ontario? (mastodon.social is Toronto, Hachyderm is Caledon).

                                          Play around with this tool, select an area of the world you're familiar with, and get a better sense for how big all these servers really are! Check out what your own server is comparable to!

                                          dougwade@mastodon.xyzD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #27

                                          @ricci this is awesome but I don’t really get how anchor cities and anchor instances work because the tooltip seems not to respond to touch events and I’m on a tablet

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