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  3. With all the discussion around detecting when a code repo contains commits authored by an LLM, I think it is important to note commits like the following in Mozilla Firefox from 2 weeks ago:

With all the discussion around detecting when a code repo contains commits authored by an LLM, I think it is important to note commits like the following in Mozilla Firefox from 2 weeks ago:

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  • sarahjamielewis@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    With all the discussion around detecting when a code repo contains commits authored by an LLM, I think it is important to note commits like the following in Mozilla Firefox from 2 weeks ago:

    "Bug 2011195 - When an agent commits, don't add itself as author"

    https://github.com/mozilla-firefox/firefox/commit/71cc24b6a400dbd434e4df37087960d94b764791

    I don't think it's a good thing that Mozilla seem to be explicitly encouraging unattributed LLM code in Firefox.

    P oblomov@sociale.networkO mallory@hachyderm.ioM lexinova@cyberplace.socialL realaaa@mastodon.auR 27 Replies Last reply
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    • sarahjamielewis@mastodon.socialS sarahjamielewis@mastodon.social

      With all the discussion around detecting when a code repo contains commits authored by an LLM, I think it is important to note commits like the following in Mozilla Firefox from 2 weeks ago:

      "Bug 2011195 - When an agent commits, don't add itself as author"

      https://github.com/mozilla-firefox/firefox/commit/71cc24b6a400dbd434e4df37087960d94b764791

      I don't think it's a good thing that Mozilla seem to be explicitly encouraging unattributed LLM code in Firefox.

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      #2

      @sarahjamielewis They even have a full bugzilla section:

      https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&component=AI%20for%20Development&product=Developer%20Infrastructure

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      • sarahjamielewis@mastodon.socialS sarahjamielewis@mastodon.social

        With all the discussion around detecting when a code repo contains commits authored by an LLM, I think it is important to note commits like the following in Mozilla Firefox from 2 weeks ago:

        "Bug 2011195 - When an agent commits, don't add itself as author"

        https://github.com/mozilla-firefox/firefox/commit/71cc24b6a400dbd434e4df37087960d94b764791

        I don't think it's a good thing that Mozilla seem to be explicitly encouraging unattributed LLM code in Firefox.

        oblomov@sociale.networkO This user is from outside of this forum
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        #3

        @sarahjamielewis JFC 8-(

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        • sarahjamielewis@mastodon.socialS sarahjamielewis@mastodon.social

          With all the discussion around detecting when a code repo contains commits authored by an LLM, I think it is important to note commits like the following in Mozilla Firefox from 2 weeks ago:

          "Bug 2011195 - When an agent commits, don't add itself as author"

          https://github.com/mozilla-firefox/firefox/commit/71cc24b6a400dbd434e4df37087960d94b764791

          I don't think it's a good thing that Mozilla seem to be explicitly encouraging unattributed LLM code in Firefox.

          mallory@hachyderm.ioM This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4

          @sarahjamielewis Good that they’re not pretending a machine is a person. Bad that they’re not coming up with a new git footer to document their bad decisions.

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          • sarahjamielewis@mastodon.socialS sarahjamielewis@mastodon.social

            With all the discussion around detecting when a code repo contains commits authored by an LLM, I think it is important to note commits like the following in Mozilla Firefox from 2 weeks ago:

            "Bug 2011195 - When an agent commits, don't add itself as author"

            https://github.com/mozilla-firefox/firefox/commit/71cc24b6a400dbd434e4df37087960d94b764791

            I don't think it's a good thing that Mozilla seem to be explicitly encouraging unattributed LLM code in Firefox.

            lexinova@cyberplace.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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            #5

            @sarahjamielewis they are jalous of the number of crashing bug in Windows, they also want new crash on each update ...

            they are unredeemable, techbro cancer killed them, if google and co jump of the bridge they will follow.

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            • sarahjamielewis@mastodon.socialS sarahjamielewis@mastodon.social

              With all the discussion around detecting when a code repo contains commits authored by an LLM, I think it is important to note commits like the following in Mozilla Firefox from 2 weeks ago:

              "Bug 2011195 - When an agent commits, don't add itself as author"

              https://github.com/mozilla-firefox/firefox/commit/71cc24b6a400dbd434e4df37087960d94b764791

              I don't think it's a good thing that Mozilla seem to be explicitly encouraging unattributed LLM code in Firefox.

              realaaa@mastodon.auR This user is from outside of this forum
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              #6

              @sarahjamielewis thanks for the link !

              Interesting, seems counter to the discussions like this one yes

              https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/185387

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              • sarahjamielewis@mastodon.socialS sarahjamielewis@mastodon.social

                With all the discussion around detecting when a code repo contains commits authored by an LLM, I think it is important to note commits like the following in Mozilla Firefox from 2 weeks ago:

                "Bug 2011195 - When an agent commits, don't add itself as author"

                https://github.com/mozilla-firefox/firefox/commit/71cc24b6a400dbd434e4df37087960d94b764791

                I don't think it's a good thing that Mozilla seem to be explicitly encouraging unattributed LLM code in Firefox.

                jbowen@mast.hpc.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                #7

                @sarahjamielewis
                Yet another reason to abandon Firefox and Mozilla in general.

                Edit: Use NetSurf or Lynx. Or just curl or wget.

                slyborg@vmst.ioS rusty__shackleford@mastodon.socialR skymtf@blahaj.zoneS ewjoachim@piaille.frE 4 Replies Last reply
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                • sarahjamielewis@mastodon.socialS sarahjamielewis@mastodon.social

                  With all the discussion around detecting when a code repo contains commits authored by an LLM, I think it is important to note commits like the following in Mozilla Firefox from 2 weeks ago:

                  "Bug 2011195 - When an agent commits, don't add itself as author"

                  https://github.com/mozilla-firefox/firefox/commit/71cc24b6a400dbd434e4df37087960d94b764791

                  I don't think it's a good thing that Mozilla seem to be explicitly encouraging unattributed LLM code in Firefox.

                  mmu_man@m.g3l.orgM This user is from outside of this forum
                  mmu_man@m.g3l.orgM This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #8

                  @sarahjamielewis OTOH I'd think having a real human to blame would be less bad than a machine… 🤔

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                  • sarahjamielewis@mastodon.socialS sarahjamielewis@mastodon.social

                    With all the discussion around detecting when a code repo contains commits authored by an LLM, I think it is important to note commits like the following in Mozilla Firefox from 2 weeks ago:

                    "Bug 2011195 - When an agent commits, don't add itself as author"

                    https://github.com/mozilla-firefox/firefox/commit/71cc24b6a400dbd434e4df37087960d94b764791

                    I don't think it's a good thing that Mozilla seem to be explicitly encouraging unattributed LLM code in Firefox.

                    kevinrns@mstdn.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #9

                    @sarahjamielewis

                    "Author... "

                    Lol

                    The producer of a "leperous distilment" needs a better word than author.

                    Something that says malicious laughter, incompetence and illegitimacy.

                    Maybe Shakespeare.

                    #ai

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                    • sarahjamielewis@mastodon.socialS sarahjamielewis@mastodon.social

                      With all the discussion around detecting when a code repo contains commits authored by an LLM, I think it is important to note commits like the following in Mozilla Firefox from 2 weeks ago:

                      "Bug 2011195 - When an agent commits, don't add itself as author"

                      https://github.com/mozilla-firefox/firefox/commit/71cc24b6a400dbd434e4df37087960d94b764791

                      I don't think it's a good thing that Mozilla seem to be explicitly encouraging unattributed LLM code in Firefox.

                      linear@nya.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #10
                      @sarahjamielewis@mastodon.social according to my understanding of current copyright guidance in the United States, doing this means they forfeit their copyright to the entire Firefox codebase.
                      linear@nya.socialL mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.orgM basxto@chaos.socialB 3 Replies Last reply
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                      • sarahjamielewis@mastodon.socialS sarahjamielewis@mastodon.social

                        With all the discussion around detecting when a code repo contains commits authored by an LLM, I think it is important to note commits like the following in Mozilla Firefox from 2 weeks ago:

                        "Bug 2011195 - When an agent commits, don't add itself as author"

                        https://github.com/mozilla-firefox/firefox/commit/71cc24b6a400dbd434e4df37087960d94b764791

                        I don't think it's a good thing that Mozilla seem to be explicitly encouraging unattributed LLM code in Firefox.

                        tedmielczarek@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #11

                        @sarahjamielewis *sigh*

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                        • linear@nya.socialL linear@nya.social
                          @sarahjamielewis@mastodon.social according to my understanding of current copyright guidance in the United States, doing this means they forfeit their copyright to the entire Firefox codebase.
                          linear@nya.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #12
                          @sarahjamielewis@mastodon.social attached excerpts are why i believe this. these come from this document, the Congressional Research Service's report on Generative Artificial Intelligence and
                          Copyright Law.

                          https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/LSB/PDF/LSB10922/LSB10922.8.pdf
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                          • jbowen@mast.hpc.socialJ jbowen@mast.hpc.social

                            @sarahjamielewis
                            Yet another reason to abandon Firefox and Mozilla in general.

                            Edit: Use NetSurf or Lynx. Or just curl or wget.

                            slyborg@vmst.ioS This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #13

                            @jbowen >not just reading the OTA traffic in Wireshark
                            You get used to it, I don’t even see the code, just “blonde… brunette… redhead…”

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                            • tedmielczarek@mastodon.socialT tedmielczarek@mastodon.social

                              @sarahjamielewis *sigh*

                              fabrice@fosstodon.orgF This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #14

                              @tedmielczarek @sarahjamielewis did you find agent commits before that date?

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                              • sarahjamielewis@mastodon.socialS sarahjamielewis@mastodon.social

                                With all the discussion around detecting when a code repo contains commits authored by an LLM, I think it is important to note commits like the following in Mozilla Firefox from 2 weeks ago:

                                "Bug 2011195 - When an agent commits, don't add itself as author"

                                https://github.com/mozilla-firefox/firefox/commit/71cc24b6a400dbd434e4df37087960d94b764791

                                I don't think it's a good thing that Mozilla seem to be explicitly encouraging unattributed LLM code in Firefox.

                                mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.orgM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #15

                                @sarahjamielewis oooooooohhh ffffffuuuuuuuuuu what even is this timeline I cannot any more

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                                • sarahjamielewis@mastodon.socialS sarahjamielewis@mastodon.social

                                  With all the discussion around detecting when a code repo contains commits authored by an LLM, I think it is important to note commits like the following in Mozilla Firefox from 2 weeks ago:

                                  "Bug 2011195 - When an agent commits, don't add itself as author"

                                  https://github.com/mozilla-firefox/firefox/commit/71cc24b6a400dbd434e4df37087960d94b764791

                                  I don't think it's a good thing that Mozilla seem to be explicitly encouraging unattributed LLM code in Firefox.

                                  jiub@not.an.evilcyberhacker.netJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #16

                                  @sarahjamielewis@mastodon.social ffs mozilla is the worst ​​

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                                  • linear@nya.socialL linear@nya.social
                                    @sarahjamielewis@mastodon.social according to my understanding of current copyright guidance in the United States, doing this means they forfeit their copyright to the entire Firefox codebase.
                                    mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.orgM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #17

                                    @sarahjamielewis @linear no, it just means that the slop output is not copyrightable as a work in itself

                                    (it’s still encumbered by the licences (or lack thereof) of all the stolen works they fed it with)

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                                    • mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.orgM mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org

                                      @sarahjamielewis oooooooohhh ffffffuuuuuuuuuu what even is this timeline I cannot any more

                                      mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.orgM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #18

                                      @sarahjamielewis and that was sylvestre?

                                      Will he add slop to the Dehian package, too?

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                                      • slyborg@vmst.ioS slyborg@vmst.io

                                        @jbowen >not just reading the OTA traffic in Wireshark
                                        You get used to it, I don’t even see the code, just “blonde… brunette… redhead…”

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                                        #19

                                        @slyborg
                                        That's... gross

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                                        • mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.orgM mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org

                                          @sarahjamielewis @linear no, it just means that the slop output is not copyrightable as a work in itself

                                          (it’s still encumbered by the licences (or lack thereof) of all the stolen works they fed it with)

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                                          #20
                                          @mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org

                                          my understanding is that what you said is the case if it is disclosed, or failing that as in this case, can be determined after the fact:

                                          "Zarya of the Dawn: A February 2023 decision that AI-generated illustrations for a graphic novel were not copyrightable, although the human-authored text of the novel and overall selection and arrangement of the images and text in the novel could be copyrighted."

                                          but that if it is not disclosed, and the AI-generated output cannot be separated upon request from that made by humans, then the entire work is at risk:

                                          "Théâtre D’opéra Spatial: A September 2023 decision that an artwork generated by AI and then modified by the applicant could not be copyrighted, since the applicant failed to identify and disclaim the AI-generated portions of the work as required by the AI
                                          Guidance."
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