I'm once again begging people to stop blaming the victims of shitty techbro nonsense.
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@menos @cy @JessTheUnstill I've never seen those here - it's not enough that those vendors have them, the retailers need to offer them, too; the regular user isn't going to ask & risk getting into a debate with the shop guy over it.
@jwcph @cy @JessTheUnstill If *asking a shop assistant* is too hard to get out of what you call "tech woes", I'd say you don't really have any.
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@jwcph @cy @JessTheUnstill If *asking a shop assistant* is too hard to get out of what you call "tech woes", I'd say you don't really have any.
@menos @cy @JessTheUnstill You don't understand - if a regular user goes into a shop that doesn't carry Linux machines & tries to order one, the clerk is 100% going to try to convince them to buy one they have in stock, running Windows, instead. It will instantly turn into a Win vs. Linux debate.
That's something you or I could do, but most people are already utterly terrified around computers; they *might* stand their ground over a washing machine, but never over a computer.
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@jwcph @cy @JessTheUnstill It says "Shop laptops and desktops computers with Linux preloaded at Lenovo". I only know one person who ever ordered one but that's what she got. I suppose they still include a license for Windows because MS bulk contract conditions.
@menos @cy @JessTheUnstill That's good for that one person - but once again, if a regular user comes to this website trying to buy a Linux computer & the description still says Windows, it's going to do absolutely nothing to allay the insecurity almost every normie has around computers...
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@menos @cy @JessTheUnstill You don't understand - if a regular user goes into a shop that doesn't carry Linux machines & tries to order one, the clerk is 100% going to try to convince them to buy one they have in stock, running Windows, instead. It will instantly turn into a Win vs. Linux debate.
That's something you or I could do, but most people are already utterly terrified around computers; they *might* stand their ground over a washing machine, but never over a computer.
@jwcph @cy @JessTheUnstill I thought I was doing a bit of a caricature with my "between beer and charcoal". Now with the argument being imaginary debates with stubborn clerks who'd prefer to fight you rather than sell you the thing you want (even though clerks aren't even involved in about 50% of computer retail to begin with because it's online), I recognize I wasn't.
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@jwcph @cy @JessTheUnstill I thought I was doing a bit of a caricature with my "between beer and charcoal". Now with the argument being imaginary debates with stubborn clerks who'd prefer to fight you rather than sell you the thing you want (even though clerks aren't even involved in about 50% of computer retail to begin with because it's online), I recognize I wasn't.
@menos @cy @JessTheUnstill What the fuck is wrong with you?
