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  3. Proposal: What if you designed a CAPTCHA that looks like static to a human but contains just enough bare structure that all LLM AI providers can see clear letters and numbers in it.

Proposal: What if you designed a CAPTCHA that looks like static to a human but contains just enough bare structure that all LLM AI providers can see clear letters and numbers in it.

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  • mcc@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    RE: https://solarpunk.moe/@vv/116602190697510886

    Proposal: What if you designed a CAPTCHA that looks like static to a human but contains just enough bare structure that all LLM AI providers can see clear letters and numbers in it. And then the test is that you only allow people through if they click "I cannot read this"

    tael@yiff.lifeT lahosken@hachyderm.ioL vv@solarpunk.moeV brazmogu@mastodon.gamedev.placeB 4 Replies Last reply
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    • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

      RE: https://solarpunk.moe/@vv/116602190697510886

      Proposal: What if you designed a CAPTCHA that looks like static to a human but contains just enough bare structure that all LLM AI providers can see clear letters and numbers in it. And then the test is that you only allow people through if they click "I cannot read this"

      tael@yiff.lifeT This user is from outside of this forum
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      #2

      @mcc Counterpoint: the purpose of captcha is not to filter out bots, it's to make humans do work for free.

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      • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

        RE: https://solarpunk.moe/@vv/116602190697510886

        Proposal: What if you designed a CAPTCHA that looks like static to a human but contains just enough bare structure that all LLM AI providers can see clear letters and numbers in it. And then the test is that you only allow people through if they click "I cannot read this"

        lahosken@hachyderm.ioL This user is from outside of this forum
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        #3

        @mcc ?? not sure, but maybe that quoted post is only visible to people who subscribe to the poster

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        • lahosken@hachyderm.ioL lahosken@hachyderm.io

          @mcc ?? not sure, but maybe that quoted post is only visible to people who subscribe to the poster

          mcc@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4

          @lahosken the mastodon implementation of quote posts is extremely glitchy

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          • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

            RE: https://solarpunk.moe/@vv/116602190697510886

            Proposal: What if you designed a CAPTCHA that looks like static to a human but contains just enough bare structure that all LLM AI providers can see clear letters and numbers in it. And then the test is that you only allow people through if they click "I cannot read this"

            vv@solarpunk.moeV This user is from outside of this forum
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            #5

            @mcc it would only work once though, right?

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            • vv@solarpunk.moeV vv@solarpunk.moe

              @mcc it would only work once though, right?

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              #6

              @mcc because after that they would know to lie

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              • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                @lahosken the mastodon implementation of quote posts is extremely glitchy

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                #7

                @mcc @lahosken Not glitchy, that instance blocks (scroll to the bottom, click on Moderated servers) a ton of servers:

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                • jernej__s@infosec.exchangeJ jernej__s@infosec.exchange

                  @mcc @lahosken Not glitchy, that instance blocks (scroll to the bottom, click on Moderated servers) a ton of servers:

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                  #8

                  @mcc @lahosken (you can see the quoted post by clicking through to mastodon.social; glitch-soc instances make this easy by having the timestamp link to the original server, regular Mastodon has to go through the ⋯ menu).

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                  • jernej__s@infosec.exchangeJ jernej__s@infosec.exchange

                    @mcc @lahosken (you can see the quoted post by clicking through to mastodon.social; glitch-soc instances make this easy by having the timestamp link to the original server, regular Mastodon has to go through the ⋯ menu).

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                    #9

                    @jernej__s @mcc @lahosken Interesting, I hadn't considered that. I've seen it mainly on the official Mastodon clients if the logged in user has muted/blocked the quoted author. Phanpy at least says "[user] muted" and the option to show it anyway.

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                    • zimzat@mastodon.socialZ zimzat@mastodon.social

                      @jernej__s @mcc @lahosken Interesting, I hadn't considered that. I've seen it mainly on the official Mastodon clients if the logged in user has muted/blocked the quoted author. Phanpy at least says "[user] muted" and the option to show it anyway.

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                      #10

                      @zimzat @mcc @lahosken I'm not sure what the web interface shows for muted/blocked accounts (I haven't seen anybody quoting those yet), but I did see some quote boxes showing "Instance/User limited by your server"; can't remember if there was a link to show the quote anyway.

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                      • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                        RE: https://solarpunk.moe/@vv/116602190697510886

                        Proposal: What if you designed a CAPTCHA that looks like static to a human but contains just enough bare structure that all LLM AI providers can see clear letters and numbers in it. And then the test is that you only allow people through if they click "I cannot read this"

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                        #11

                        @mcc problem is, you'd need the captcha to overwrite the ingrained impulse that people have of trying to appease to authority (i.e. if they're told there's a number there, they will try to guess a number instead of admitting they see nothing)

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                        • brazmogu@mastodon.gamedev.placeB brazmogu@mastodon.gamedev.place

                          @mcc problem is, you'd need the captcha to overwrite the ingrained impulse that people have of trying to appease to authority (i.e. if they're told there's a number there, they will try to guess a number instead of admitting they see nothing)

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                          #12

                          @mcc (slightly related, but I've seen some health surveys in Quebec include a question which explicitly states it's actually a question to see if you're really paying attention, and you have to answer "I do not wish to answer this question" instead of a spectrum between "strongly agree" and "strongly disagree";I imagine it does well in dealing with the "what if my survey responder just doesn't care" problem of statistics)

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                          • brazmogu@mastodon.gamedev.placeB brazmogu@mastodon.gamedev.place

                            @mcc problem is, you'd need the captcha to overwrite the ingrained impulse that people have of trying to appease to authority (i.e. if they're told there's a number there, they will try to guess a number instead of admitting they see nothing)

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                            #13

                            @brazmogu
                            There are four lights!
                            @mcc

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