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  3. Lately I have been trying to tell manplainers and sea lions what they're doing before blocking them, to give them a shot at apologizing.

Lately I have been trying to tell manplainers and sea lions what they're doing before blocking them, to give them a shot at apologizing.

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  • hadon@mastodon.socialH hadon@mastodon.social

    @sundogplanets

    Why not just ignore them? If you block them they won't have a chance to learn anything anymore.

    You explain once and if they don't like it or accept it then just ignore them. You don't need to explain twice.

    drdrowland@fediscience.orgD This user is from outside of this forum
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    #57

    @hadon @sundogplanets

    blocking them removes them from the network centered on the op's posts and reduces their visability. it's remote ostracization and i think it's warranted. they can make a new account or find another account posting awesome things.

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    • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

      Lately I have been trying to tell manplainers and sea lions what they're doing before blocking them, to give them a shot at apologizing. But it almost always results in angry dudes saying obnoxious things, not apologizing, and that doesn't make anyone feel better.

      This is just a reminder to myself to block more people.

      madonius@chaos.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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      #58

      @sundogplanets For those not familiar with the term "sea lions" what does that mean in this context? 😅

      meyerweb@mastodon.socialM aprilfollies@mastodon.onlineA sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS gurkan@has.siktir.inG 4 Replies Last reply
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      • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

        Lately I have been trying to tell manplainers and sea lions what they're doing before blocking them, to give them a shot at apologizing. But it almost always results in angry dudes saying obnoxious things, not apologizing, and that doesn't make anyone feel better.

        This is just a reminder to myself to block more people.

        tbortels@infosec.exchangeT This user is from outside of this forum
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        #59

        @sundogplanets

        Block early, block often. This is the way.

        If you feel the need to explain, send the wondermark sea lion comic, or a link. Then block. It might educate, but it won't make anyone happy.

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        • hadon@mastodon.socialH hadon@mastodon.social

          @jguillaumes @sundogplanets @cstross

          I was wondering the same. Specially that in the internet many times there are misunderstandings. We read sentences without having other cues (tone of voice, face expressions), so we can misunderstand a sentence. Specially that we are all from different backgrounds (different native languages, etc).

          Sometimes I read a sentence, reply, and 20 minutes later I realize I misunderstood 😄 (and come back to correct or apologize, whatever is needed ).

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          #60

          @hadon @jguillaumes @sundogplanets @cstross a big giveaway is they get defensive and/or double-down at any reply that isn't full agreement and some that actually are.

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          • madonius@chaos.socialM madonius@chaos.social

            @sundogplanets For those not familiar with the term "sea lions" what does that mean in this context? 😅

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            #61

            @madonius I bet entering “replies sea lion” in your search engine of choice will be explanatory.

            shadesofraye@mastodon.socialS pedroleal_@mastodon.socialP 2 Replies Last reply
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            • madonius@chaos.socialM madonius@chaos.social

              @sundogplanets For those not familiar with the term "sea lions" what does that mean in this context? 😅

              aprilfollies@mastodon.onlineA This user is from outside of this forum
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              #62

              @madonius

              https://a2mi.social/@jhaas/116471885984700080

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              • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                Lately I have been trying to tell manplainers and sea lions what they're doing before blocking them, to give them a shot at apologizing. But it almost always results in angry dudes saying obnoxious things, not apologizing, and that doesn't make anyone feel better.

                This is just a reminder to myself to block more people.

                mpotter@social.coopM This user is from outside of this forum
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                #63

                @sundogplanets I've blocked and unfollowed more accounts here on Mastadon than I ever did on Twitter. It's opposite of what I expected.

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                • meyerweb@mastodon.socialM meyerweb@mastodon.social

                  @madonius I bet entering “replies sea lion” in your search engine of choice will be explanatory.

                  shadesofraye@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #64

                  @Meyerweb
                  God forbid people discuss things on SOCIAL media.

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                  • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                    Lately I have been trying to tell manplainers and sea lions what they're doing before blocking them, to give them a shot at apologizing. But it almost always results in angry dudes saying obnoxious things, not apologizing, and that doesn't make anyone feel better.

                    This is just a reminder to myself to block more people.

                    paelnever@masto.esP This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #65

                    @sundogplanets

                    I'm sorry to say that "not apologizing" is a default behavior for all people nowadays, not only mansplainers.

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                    • bumblefish@mastodon.scotB bumblefish@mastodon.scot

                      @bur_d @sundogplanets Google exists.

                      kdelta@ieji.deK This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #66

                      @Bumblefish @bur_d Google is for mugs. I look forward to your unquestionable block because opinions are illegal and you couldn’t possibly be wrong. 😁👍

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                      • moelassus@mastodon.socialM moelassus@mastodon.social

                        @jrp I suspect your right. It’s also possible that I’m just really bad at snark. 🤔

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                        #67
                        @Moe Lassus Eventually there's three possible kinds: irony, sarcasm and cynicism. Good to stay with irony 🙂
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                        • jrp@hub.kliklak.netJ jrp@hub.kliklak.net
                          @Moe Lassus Eventually there's three possible kinds: irony, sarcasm and cynicism. Good to stay with irony 🙂
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                          #68

                          @jrp I was aiming at the irony of the situation but I apparently missed the mark. They clearly interpreted my comment as being favorable toward what they were being critical of.

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                          • madonius@chaos.socialM madonius@chaos.social

                            @sundogplanets For those not familiar with the term "sea lions" what does that mean in this context? 😅

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                            #69

                            @madonius https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

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                            • jik@federate.socialJ jik@federate.social

                              @sundogplanets I try really hard to call out bad behavior in _other_ people's threads because it lands really differently when it comes from someone other than the target, and I think it's important to be an upstander.

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                              #70

                              @jik This is incredibly important service work, thank you!

                              Also, let me just take this opportunity to say that I learn so much about so many different topics from your posts, so thank you for that as well!

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                              • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                @Kierkegaanks Shitpost jokes welcome! Entitled mansplaining, not so much 🙂

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                                #71

                                @sundogplanets @Kierkegaanks

                                I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A CIVIL CONVERSATION ABOUT
                                YOUR STATEMENT.

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                                • david@fouroclockfarms.clubD david@fouroclockfarms.club

                                  @sundogplanets @Kierkegaanks

                                  I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A CIVIL CONVERSATION ABOUT
                                  YOUR STATEMENT.

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                                  #72

                                  @david @sundogplanets CAN YOU PLEASE KWALIFY THAT WITH CITATIONS?

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                                  • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                    Lately I have been trying to tell manplainers and sea lions what they're doing before blocking them, to give them a shot at apologizing. But it almost always results in angry dudes saying obnoxious things, not apologizing, and that doesn't make anyone feel better.

                                    This is just a reminder to myself to block more people.

                                    fartnuggets@jorts.horseF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #73

                                    @sundogplanets having visibility into this kind of correction helps guys like me figure out how to better exist in this place. Even if the mansplainers and sea lions don't get it, I learn from it when you take the time and effort to address it.

                                    Really appreciate it. 💜

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                                    • meyerweb@mastodon.socialM meyerweb@mastodon.social

                                      @madonius I bet entering “replies sea lion” in your search engine of choice will be explanatory.

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                                      #74

                                      @Meyerweb @madonius the best I got was " a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence"... is this it?

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                                      • kierkegaanks@beige.partyK kierkegaanks@beige.party

                                        @david @sundogplanets CAN YOU PLEASE KWALIFY THAT WITH CITATIONS?

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                                        #75

                                        @Kierkegaanks @sundogplanets

                                        HOW DO YOU KNOW THOSE STUDIES ARENT BOASED?

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                                        • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                          Lately I have been trying to tell manplainers and sea lions what they're doing before blocking them, to give them a shot at apologizing. But it almost always results in angry dudes saying obnoxious things, not apologizing, and that doesn't make anyone feel better.

                                          This is just a reminder to myself to block more people.

                                          sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #76

                                          An educational add-on, because a lot of people are asking about it (which is hilariously meta, I suppose, but here we are)

                                          Sealioning (the Wikipedia article is quite good): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

                                          Mansplaining: https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20180727-mansplaining-explained-in-one-chart

                                          judgyweevil@mastodon.unoJ internic@mathstodon.xyzI faithfulljohn@mastodon.scotF obbiez@urbanists.socialO T 7 Replies Last reply
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