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i don’t usually respond to these kinds of emails, but this one made me so fucking mad that i blacked out and regained consciousness with this in my outbox

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  • davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD davidcelis@xoxo.zone

    i don’t usually respond to these kinds of emails, but this one made me so fucking mad that i blacked out and regained consciousness with this in my outbox

    cratermoon@zirk.usC This user is from outside of this forum
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    #4

    @davidcelis Did you get a response? 😄

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    • davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD davidcelis@xoxo.zone

      i don’t usually respond to these kinds of emails, but this one made me so fucking mad that i blacked out and regained consciousness with this in my outbox

      bytebro@mastodonapp.ukB This user is from outside of this forum
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      #5

      @davidcelis

      Dear Goddess.
      As a former freelancer, that's a good reply, may I say!

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      • cratermoon@zirk.usC cratermoon@zirk.us

        @davidcelis Did you get a response? 😄

        davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD This user is from outside of this forum
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        #6

        @cratermoon yeah, some bullshit about how “when companies pay, candidates become the product”… which, yeah? that’s how employment works. we sell our labor, a product, to an employer who has the budget to pay for labor. like, come on

        erisceleste@tech.lgbtE zimzat@mastodon.socialZ 2 Replies Last reply
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        • davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD davidcelis@xoxo.zone

          i don’t usually respond to these kinds of emails, but this one made me so fucking mad that i blacked out and regained consciousness with this in my outbox

          isagalaev@mastodon.socialI This user is from outside of this forum
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          #7

          @davidcelis good!

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          • davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD davidcelis@xoxo.zone

            i don’t usually respond to these kinds of emails, but this one made me so fucking mad that i blacked out and regained consciousness with this in my outbox

            defractal@infosec.exchangeD This user is from outside of this forum
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            #8

            @davidcelis Running that company in my jurisdiction would be a crime. Charging for job placement, matching, or application submission are illegal here, as are tying any paid resumé writing or training package to application or to helping a candidate apply. Perhaps such laws ought to be replicated elsewhere.

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            • davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD davidcelis@xoxo.zone

              i don’t usually respond to these kinds of emails, but this one made me so fucking mad that i blacked out and regained consciousness with this in my outbox

              tisba@ruby.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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              #9

              @davidcelis excellent reply!

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              • davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD davidcelis@xoxo.zone

                i don’t usually respond to these kinds of emails, but this one made me so fucking mad that i blacked out and regained consciousness with this in my outbox

                reijomancer@defcon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                #10

                @davidcelis One step away from paying in scrip - And they'd do that if they could too.

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                • davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD davidcelis@xoxo.zone

                  @cratermoon yeah, some bullshit about how “when companies pay, candidates become the product”… which, yeah? that’s how employment works. we sell our labor, a product, to an employer who has the budget to pay for labor. like, come on

                  erisceleste@tech.lgbtE This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #11

                  @davidcelis way back before my current job, out of desperation i tried signing up to an early incarnation of this idea

                  and from that experience my conclusion is still: when candidates pay, congratulations on completely removing the incentive to provide a product at all
                  the recruiting model only works because their paying customer is one that comes back when the recruiter does a good job; in this model, the paying customer only comes back when the recruiter fails

                  @cratermoon

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                  • reijomancer@defcon.socialR reijomancer@defcon.social

                    @davidcelis One step away from paying in scrip - And they'd do that if they could too.

                    dss@infosec.exchangeD This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #12

                    @reijomancer @davidcelis You already got funded for £3 trillion by a hundred AI bots!

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                    • defractal@infosec.exchangeD defractal@infosec.exchange

                      @davidcelis Running that company in my jurisdiction would be a crime. Charging for job placement, matching, or application submission are illegal here, as are tying any paid resumé writing or training package to application or to helping a candidate apply. Perhaps such laws ought to be replicated elsewhere.

                      iwillyeah@mastodon.ieI This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #13

                      @deFractal @davidcelis where's that, if I may ask?

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                      • defractal@infosec.exchangeD defractal@infosec.exchange

                        @davidcelis Running that company in my jurisdiction would be a crime. Charging for job placement, matching, or application submission are illegal here, as are tying any paid resumé writing or training package to application or to helping a candidate apply. Perhaps such laws ought to be replicated elsewhere.

                        merospit@infosec.exchangeM This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #14

                        @deFractal @davidcelis Is it yet illegal to require an LLM be used to generate a resume?

                        There was a recent study where over 90% of job applications were rejected by company LLMs if they were not written by an LLM.

                        At that level any company with a non-human LLM as the first reviewer is already requiring a resume writing service be used.

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                        • erisceleste@tech.lgbtE erisceleste@tech.lgbt

                          @davidcelis way back before my current job, out of desperation i tried signing up to an early incarnation of this idea

                          and from that experience my conclusion is still: when candidates pay, congratulations on completely removing the incentive to provide a product at all
                          the recruiting model only works because their paying customer is one that comes back when the recruiter does a good job; in this model, the paying customer only comes back when the recruiter fails

                          @cratermoon

                          cratermoon@zirk.usC This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #15

                          @erisceleste @davidcelis I agree this is a terrible idea, but I find it funny to note, given how often companies are laying off scores of people regularly these days, a candidate-pays recruiter model might actually have repeat customers. Yeah I kind of hate this timeline.

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                          • davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD davidcelis@xoxo.zone

                            i don’t usually respond to these kinds of emails, but this one made me so fucking mad that i blacked out and regained consciousness with this in my outbox

                            bhhaskin@social.bitsofsimplicity.comB This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #16

                            @davidcelis haha good luck with that. People aren't going to pay.

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                            • davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD davidcelis@xoxo.zone

                              @cratermoon yeah, some bullshit about how “when companies pay, candidates become the product”… which, yeah? that’s how employment works. we sell our labor, a product, to an employer who has the budget to pay for labor. like, come on

                              zimzat@mastodon.socialZ This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #17

                              @davidcelis @cratermoon This reminds me of some job board that advertised itself as helping developers get the best paying jobs or some-such by matching relevant keywords (before the current AI and applicant tools). Submitted my resume and got told "You're not very popular with our jobs; it may help to say you know Python" 🤦

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                              • davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD davidcelis@xoxo.zone

                                i don’t usually respond to these kinds of emails, but this one made me so fucking mad that i blacked out and regained consciousness with this in my outbox

                                rpbook@gts.phillipsuk.orgR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #18

                                @davidcelis Andre is right that it's a crazy idea 😡

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                                • davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD davidcelis@xoxo.zone

                                  i don’t usually respond to these kinds of emails, but this one made me so fucking mad that i blacked out and regained consciousness with this in my outbox

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                                  #19

                                  @davidcelis @JessTheUnstill Perfect response. 💯

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                                  • davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD davidcelis@xoxo.zone

                                    i don’t usually respond to these kinds of emails, but this one made me so fucking mad that i blacked out and regained consciousness with this in my outbox

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                                    #20

                                    @davidcelis Perfect reply.

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                                    • davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD davidcelis@xoxo.zone

                                      i don’t usually respond to these kinds of emails, but this one made me so fucking mad that i blacked out and regained consciousness with this in my outbox

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                                      #21

                                      @davidcelis Just like rental agencies where renters have to pay the realtor fees. Absolutely psychopathic/capitalist behavior. Great reply.

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                                      • davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD davidcelis@xoxo.zone

                                        i don’t usually respond to these kinds of emails, but this one made me so fucking mad that i blacked out and regained consciousness with this in my outbox

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                                        #22

                                        @davidcelis

                                        Not only are you paying these fucking sociopaths, you’re actually paying to be handled by an AI agent.

                                        I hate the stupid cruelty of this timeline.

                                        hxxps://tryrefer[.]com/

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                                        • davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD davidcelis@xoxo.zone

                                          i don’t usually respond to these kinds of emails, but this one made me so fucking mad that i blacked out and regained consciousness with this in my outbox

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                                          #23

                                          @davidcelis Employers can deduct hiring expenses from their taxes.

                                          Can those seeing jobs deduct their costs? (And, if so, from what income - people seeking jobs sometimes don't have any income from which they can make a deduction.)

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