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i don’t usually respond to these kinds of emails, but this one made me so fucking mad that i blacked out and regained consciousness with this in my outbox

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  • defractal@infosec.exchangeD defractal@infosec.exchange

    @davidcelis Running that company in my jurisdiction would be a crime. Charging for job placement, matching, or application submission are illegal here, as are tying any paid resumé writing or training package to application or to helping a candidate apply. Perhaps such laws ought to be replicated elsewhere.

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    #13

    @deFractal @davidcelis where's that, if I may ask?

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    • defractal@infosec.exchangeD defractal@infosec.exchange

      @davidcelis Running that company in my jurisdiction would be a crime. Charging for job placement, matching, or application submission are illegal here, as are tying any paid resumé writing or training package to application or to helping a candidate apply. Perhaps such laws ought to be replicated elsewhere.

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      #14

      @deFractal @davidcelis Is it yet illegal to require an LLM be used to generate a resume?

      There was a recent study where over 90% of job applications were rejected by company LLMs if they were not written by an LLM.

      At that level any company with a non-human LLM as the first reviewer is already requiring a resume writing service be used.

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      • erisceleste@tech.lgbtE erisceleste@tech.lgbt

        @davidcelis way back before my current job, out of desperation i tried signing up to an early incarnation of this idea

        and from that experience my conclusion is still: when candidates pay, congratulations on completely removing the incentive to provide a product at all
        the recruiting model only works because their paying customer is one that comes back when the recruiter does a good job; in this model, the paying customer only comes back when the recruiter fails

        @cratermoon

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        #15

        @erisceleste @davidcelis I agree this is a terrible idea, but I find it funny to note, given how often companies are laying off scores of people regularly these days, a candidate-pays recruiter model might actually have repeat customers. Yeah I kind of hate this timeline.

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        • davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD davidcelis@xoxo.zone

          i don’t usually respond to these kinds of emails, but this one made me so fucking mad that i blacked out and regained consciousness with this in my outbox

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          #16

          @davidcelis haha good luck with that. People aren't going to pay.

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          • davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD davidcelis@xoxo.zone

            @cratermoon yeah, some bullshit about how “when companies pay, candidates become the product”… which, yeah? that’s how employment works. we sell our labor, a product, to an employer who has the budget to pay for labor. like, come on

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            #17

            @davidcelis @cratermoon This reminds me of some job board that advertised itself as helping developers get the best paying jobs or some-such by matching relevant keywords (before the current AI and applicant tools). Submitted my resume and got told "You're not very popular with our jobs; it may help to say you know Python" 🤦

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            • davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD davidcelis@xoxo.zone

              i don’t usually respond to these kinds of emails, but this one made me so fucking mad that i blacked out and regained consciousness with this in my outbox

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              #18

              @davidcelis Andre is right that it's a crazy idea 😡

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              • davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD davidcelis@xoxo.zone

                i don’t usually respond to these kinds of emails, but this one made me so fucking mad that i blacked out and regained consciousness with this in my outbox

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                #19

                @davidcelis @JessTheUnstill Perfect response. 💯

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                • davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD davidcelis@xoxo.zone

                  i don’t usually respond to these kinds of emails, but this one made me so fucking mad that i blacked out and regained consciousness with this in my outbox

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                  #20

                  @davidcelis Perfect reply.

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                  • davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD davidcelis@xoxo.zone

                    i don’t usually respond to these kinds of emails, but this one made me so fucking mad that i blacked out and regained consciousness with this in my outbox

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                    #21

                    @davidcelis Just like rental agencies where renters have to pay the realtor fees. Absolutely psychopathic/capitalist behavior. Great reply.

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                    • davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD davidcelis@xoxo.zone

                      i don’t usually respond to these kinds of emails, but this one made me so fucking mad that i blacked out and regained consciousness with this in my outbox

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                      #22

                      @davidcelis

                      Not only are you paying these fucking sociopaths, you’re actually paying to be handled by an AI agent.

                      I hate the stupid cruelty of this timeline.

                      hxxps://tryrefer[.]com/

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                      • davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD davidcelis@xoxo.zone

                        i don’t usually respond to these kinds of emails, but this one made me so fucking mad that i blacked out and regained consciousness with this in my outbox

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                        #23

                        @davidcelis Employers can deduct hiring expenses from their taxes.

                        Can those seeing jobs deduct their costs? (And, if so, from what income - people seeking jobs sometimes don't have any income from which they can make a deduction.)

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                        • davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD davidcelis@xoxo.zone

                          i don’t usually respond to these kinds of emails, but this one made me so fucking mad that i blacked out and regained consciousness with this in my outbox

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                          #24

                          @davidcelis what an actual insanity is this 😡

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                          • davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD davidcelis@xoxo.zone

                            i don’t usually respond to these kinds of emails, but this one made me so fucking mad that i blacked out and regained consciousness with this in my outbox

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                            #25

                            @davidcelis of course you realize you're a f'n hero, right?

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                            • davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD davidcelis@xoxo.zone

                              i don’t usually respond to these kinds of emails, but this one made me so fucking mad that i blacked out and regained consciousness with this in my outbox

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                              #26

                              @davidcelis

                              Completely ridiculous! As someone who previously worked in HR, it's pretty standard advice to candidates -- going back decades -- that any agency that expects the candidate to pay is a scam. This is advice that job seekers will receive regularly, and of course it may already be obvious to many of them.

                              This whole thing sounds like it's bots all the way down, and all the way up.

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                              • davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD davidcelis@xoxo.zone

                                i don’t usually respond to these kinds of emails, but this one made me so fucking mad that i blacked out and regained consciousness with this in my outbox

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                                #27

                                @davidcelis wow

                                the balls

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                                • davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD davidcelis@xoxo.zone

                                  i don’t usually respond to these kinds of emails, but this one made me so fucking mad that i blacked out and regained consciousness with this in my outbox

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                                  #28

                                  @davidcelis
                                  I used to think no one should suffer through explosive diarrhea.

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                                  • davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD davidcelis@xoxo.zone

                                    i don’t usually respond to these kinds of emails, but this one made me so fucking mad that i blacked out and regained consciousness with this in my outbox

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                                    #29

                                    @davidcelis Good on you. What an insane and ridiculous business proposition.

                                    He raised $10M for this? Obviously from stupid people with a lot of money. Because there is no way they are ever going to see any of that back.

                                    Assuming he is telling the truth - it is entirely possible that everything in the into is just the usual lies and BS.

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                                    • davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD davidcelis@xoxo.zone

                                      i don’t usually respond to these kinds of emails, but this one made me so fucking mad that i blacked out and regained consciousness with this in my outbox

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                                      #30

                                      @davidcelis I didn't know Forbes had an "under 30" list for "soulless parasites" these days. Now I do.

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                                      • davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD davidcelis@xoxo.zone

                                        i don’t usually respond to these kinds of emails, but this one made me so fucking mad that i blacked out and regained consciousness with this in my outbox

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                                        #31

                                        @@xoxo.zone
                                        Content aside, but that mix of “Stanford MBA, Forbes under 30” self-promotion and informal “Hi David” feels nauseating. Maybe it’s an US thing, but it reads like a parody of LinkedIn’s worst excesses and if anyone would ever introduce themselves the only sensible response would seem “Why, thank you, I'd like to awfully, but I'm having labor pains.”

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                                        • davidcelis@xoxo.zoneD davidcelis@xoxo.zone

                                          i don’t usually respond to these kinds of emails, but this one made me so fucking mad that i blacked out and regained consciousness with this in my outbox

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                                          #32

                                          @davidcelis I wrote that while you were out. Also watered your plants and took a bite out of the tuna sandwich on the fridge before leaving. You're welcome.

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