There used to be a time when building out a botnet required *some* work – writing exploits, taking over devices, obscuring the purpose of the executable, etc.
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OpenClaw is utterly negligent in promoting their stuff to regular users and not having gigantic warnings on their landing page and installation guides.
Their response to these vulnerabilities, mentioning 128 advisories that are "still pending assignment", and shilling their "managed" service, is laughable and craven.
And the way they hide behind the open source label is infuriating:
> The open-source model means every vulnerability gets public scrutiny and transparent fixes.
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@rysiek to a certain extent, I understand the attitude of “hey, this is just a hobby project, I made it for free, don’t expect *anything*”. I too dislike the entitled attitude of users of open source stuff.
*but* the moment this “toy project” became wildly popular, he should have taken down the website and put a big fat warning on GitHub to scare away people who are not experts (but have at least two brain cells). It’s this part that’s, as you said — utterly negligent.
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@rysiek simultaneously the easiest and most expensive ever social engineering attempt ever
@c0dec0dec0de I believe it's called "vibe-scamming"
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OpenClaw is utterly negligent in promoting their stuff to regular users and not having gigantic warnings on their landing page and installation guides.
Their response to these vulnerabilities, mentioning 128 advisories that are "still pending assignment", and shilling their "managed" service, is laughable and craven.
And the way they hide behind the open source label is infuriating:
> The open-source model means every vulnerability gets public scrutiny and transparent fixes.
🧵
@rysiek "OpenClaw is utterly negligent" is sufficient there
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@rysiek to a certain extent, I understand the attitude of “hey, this is just a hobby project, I made it for free, don’t expect *anything*”. I too dislike the entitled attitude of users of open source stuff.
*but* the moment this “toy project” became wildly popular, he should have taken down the website and put a big fat warning on GitHub to scare away people who are not experts (but have at least two brain cells). It’s this part that’s, as you said — utterly negligent.
@radex he promoted it from the get go in a way that invited regular non-techies to use it, without ever putting any kind of warning.
It was utterly negligent basically from the moment the website went up.
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@radex he promoted it from the get go in a way that invited regular non-techies to use it, without ever putting any kind of warning.
It was utterly negligent basically from the moment the website went up.
@rysiek Right, I haven't actually paid much attention, so I don't know. I'm just saying that in the culture where promoting/marketing hobby/open source projects is even a thing, I would forgive making that mistake initially - but I'd expect a quick reaction on first signs of popularity and/or pushback. (Which obviously *still* did not happen)
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It is also entirely par for the course for the broader "AI" ecosystem, which has the same scammy vibes as the NFT space.
For years Microsoft had a line in Copilot's ToS (still does) insisting it is for entertainment purposes only (yet they push it in their products):
https://www.theregister.com/2024/08/14/microsoft_services_agreement_update_warns/Anthropic's "extensively trained" model got tricked by a tactic used by a 13yo – "really, I'm a researcher!" and the company still does not see it as their responsibility:
https://rys.io/en/181.html#ai-orchestrated-cyberattack
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@rysiek that line's been there since 2024 based on earlier terms since 2023, even the Reg covered it https://www.theregister.com/2024/08/14/microsoft_services_agreement_update_warns/
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There used to be a time when building out a botnet required *some* work – writing exploits, taking over devices, obscuring the purpose of the executable, etc.
Not any more!
Instead of "malware", call it an "AI agent" and people will just happily install it on their devices with full root privileges!
https://github.com/jgamblin/OpenClawCVEs/Bam! RCE by asking nicely.
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@rysiek Yeah. Remember when "please forward this virus to your friends" was a dry joke?
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There used to be a time when building out a botnet required *some* work – writing exploits, taking over devices, obscuring the purpose of the executable, etc.
Not any more!
Instead of "malware", call it an "AI agent" and people will just happily install it on their devices with full root privileges!
https://github.com/jgamblin/OpenClawCVEs/Bam! RCE by asking nicely.
🧵
@rysiek 5 nines but for open CVEs instead of digits in percentage availability
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@rysiek that line's been there since 2024 based on earlier terms since 2023, even the Reg covered it https://www.theregister.com/2024/08/14/microsoft_services_agreement_update_warns/
@davidgerard ah, sorry! Fixing. The broader point stands.
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@rysiek Yeah. Remember when "please forward this virus to your friends" was a dry joke?
@jmax "and delete your files"
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It is also entirely par for the course for the broader "AI" ecosystem, which has the same scammy vibes as the NFT space.
For years Microsoft had a line in Copilot's ToS (still does) insisting it is for entertainment purposes only (yet they push it in their products):
https://www.theregister.com/2024/08/14/microsoft_services_agreement_update_warns/Anthropic's "extensively trained" model got tricked by a tactic used by a 13yo – "really, I'm a researcher!" and the company still does not see it as their responsibility:
https://rys.io/en/181.html#ai-orchestrated-cyberattack 🧵/end
@rysiek considering the peeks into the leaked Claude Code, jailbreaking it this way is explicitly allowed in the code itself. If you tell it you are part of a security research team or on an authorized entertainment or doing a computer security assignment, it will let you do what you want.
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@rysiek considering the peeks into the leaked Claude Code, jailbreaking it this way is explicitly allowed in the code itself. If you tell it you are part of a security research team or on an authorized entertainment or doing a computer security assignment, it will let you do what you want.
@GreatBigTable interesting. I have not dove into Claude Code's spaghetti myself. Would love to hear more about this.
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There used to be a time when building out a botnet required *some* work – writing exploits, taking over devices, obscuring the purpose of the executable, etc.
Not any more!
Instead of "malware", call it an "AI agent" and people will just happily install it on their devices with full root privileges!
https://github.com/jgamblin/OpenClawCVEs/Bam! RCE by asking nicely.
🧵
@rysiek Should we... move back into caves now, and get a head start on this utter collapse?..
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There used to be a time when building out a botnet required *some* work – writing exploits, taking over devices, obscuring the purpose of the executable, etc.
Not any more!
Instead of "malware", call it an "AI agent" and people will just happily install it on their devices with full root privileges!
https://github.com/jgamblin/OpenClawCVEs/Bam! RCE by asking nicely.
🧵
@rysiek Go fast and break stuff
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@rysiek Should we... move back into caves now, and get a head start on this utter collapse?..
@cauZation I reject the false dichotomy of "OpenClaw or caves." We can make sane technological choices without rejecting modern technology completely. We do have that agency.
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@cauZation I reject the false dichotomy of "OpenClaw or caves." We can make sane technological choices without rejecting modern technology completely. We do have that agency.
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@cauZation those luxury bunkers are not going to actually help them all that much. They are the super-rich equivalent of fidgeting to deal with existential anxiety.
And of course status symbols.
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OpenClaw is utterly negligent in promoting their stuff to regular users and not having gigantic warnings on their landing page and installation guides.
Their response to these vulnerabilities, mentioning 128 advisories that are "still pending assignment", and shilling their "managed" service, is laughable and craven.
And the way they hide behind the open source label is infuriating:
> The open-source model means every vulnerability gets public scrutiny and transparent fixes.
🧵
@rysiek this is absolutely true
It is also true that you can't stop a creek with your hand
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@cauZation those luxury bunkers are not going to actually help them all that much. They are the super-rich equivalent of fidgeting to deal with existential anxiety.
And of course status symbols.
@rysiek I used to fully believe that, until a peer in the Gen 4 nuclear industry told me why the wealthiest are investing in it. And some of them are indulging certain crypto financing because it more directly ties to data centers and cornering energy markets.
They're making a massive leap to control as much vital resources as they possibly can, and have perhaps the most subservient subjugation in modern history.
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@rysiek I used to fully believe that, until a peer in the Gen 4 nuclear industry told me why the wealthiest are investing in it. And some of them are indulging certain crypto financing because it more directly ties to data centers and cornering energy markets.
They're making a massive leap to control as much vital resources as they possibly can, and have perhaps the most subservient subjugation in modern history.
@cauZation oh no doubt. But if shit really hits the fan, the end result will be an unlivable planet, and at that stage the bunkers are only going to extend the agony.
