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  3. There used to be a time when building out a botnet required *some* work – writing exploits, taking over devices, obscuring the purpose of the executable, etc.

There used to be a time when building out a botnet required *some* work – writing exploits, taking over devices, obscuring the purpose of the executable, etc.

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  • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

    It is also entirely par for the course for the broader "AI" ecosystem, which has the same scammy vibes as the NFT space.

    For years Microsoft had a line in Copilot's ToS (still does) insisting it is for entertainment purposes only (yet they push it in their products):
    https://www.theregister.com/2024/08/14/microsoft_services_agreement_update_warns/

    Anthropic's "extensively trained" model got tricked by a tactic used by a 13yo – "really, I'm a researcher!" and the company still does not see it as their responsibility:
    https://rys.io/en/181.html#ai-orchestrated-cyberattack

    🤡

    🧵/end

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    #20

    @rysiek considering the peeks into the leaked Claude Code, jailbreaking it this way is explicitly allowed in the code itself. If you tell it you are part of a security research team or on an authorized entertainment or doing a computer security assignment, it will let you do what you want.

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    • greatbigtable@mastodon.socialG greatbigtable@mastodon.social

      @rysiek considering the peeks into the leaked Claude Code, jailbreaking it this way is explicitly allowed in the code itself. If you tell it you are part of a security research team or on an authorized entertainment or doing a computer security assignment, it will let you do what you want.

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      #21

      @GreatBigTable interesting. I have not dove into Claude Code's spaghetti myself. Would love to hear more about this.

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      • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

        There used to be a time when building out a botnet required *some* work – writing exploits, taking over devices, obscuring the purpose of the executable, etc.

        Not any more!

        Instead of "malware", call it an "AI agent" and people will just happily install it on their devices with full root privileges!
        https://github.com/jgamblin/OpenClawCVEs/

        Bam! RCE by asking nicely.

        🧵

        #OpenClaw #AI #Hype #InfoSec

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        #22

        @rysiek Should we... move back into caves now, and get a head start on this utter collapse?..

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        • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

          There used to be a time when building out a botnet required *some* work – writing exploits, taking over devices, obscuring the purpose of the executable, etc.

          Not any more!

          Instead of "malware", call it an "AI agent" and people will just happily install it on their devices with full root privileges!
          https://github.com/jgamblin/OpenClawCVEs/

          Bam! RCE by asking nicely.

          🧵

          #OpenClaw #AI #Hype #InfoSec

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          #23

          @rysiek Go fast and break stuff

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          • cauzation@mastodon.socialC cauzation@mastodon.social

            @rysiek Should we... move back into caves now, and get a head start on this utter collapse?..

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            #24

            @cauZation I reject the false dichotomy of "OpenClaw or caves." We can make sane technological choices without rejecting modern technology completely. We do have that agency.

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            • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

              @cauZation I reject the false dichotomy of "OpenClaw or caves." We can make sane technological choices without rejecting modern technology completely. We do have that agency.

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              #25

              @rysiek I agree. It's just that those luxury bunkers the #TechBros have seem to be able to last longer.

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              • cauzation@mastodon.socialC cauzation@mastodon.social

                @rysiek I agree. It's just that those luxury bunkers the #TechBros have seem to be able to last longer.

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                #26

                @cauZation those luxury bunkers are not going to actually help them all that much. They are the super-rich equivalent of fidgeting to deal with existential anxiety.

                And of course status symbols.

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                • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                  OpenClaw is utterly negligent in promoting their stuff to regular users and not having gigantic warnings on their landing page and installation guides.

                  Their response to these vulnerabilities, mentioning 128 advisories that are "still pending assignment", and shilling their "managed" service, is laughable and craven.

                  And the way they hide behind the open source label is infuriating:

                  > The open-source model means every vulnerability gets public scrutiny and transparent fixes.

                  🧵

                  #OpenClaw #AI

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                  #27

                  @rysiek this is absolutely true

                  It is also true that you can't stop a creek with your hand

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                  • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                    @cauZation those luxury bunkers are not going to actually help them all that much. They are the super-rich equivalent of fidgeting to deal with existential anxiety.

                    And of course status symbols.

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                    #28

                    @rysiek I used to fully believe that, until a peer in the Gen 4 nuclear industry told me why the wealthiest are investing in it. And some of them are indulging certain crypto financing because it more directly ties to data centers and cornering energy markets.

                    They're making a massive leap to control as much vital resources as they possibly can, and have perhaps the most subservient subjugation in modern history.

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                    • cauzation@mastodon.socialC cauzation@mastodon.social

                      @rysiek I used to fully believe that, until a peer in the Gen 4 nuclear industry told me why the wealthiest are investing in it. And some of them are indulging certain crypto financing because it more directly ties to data centers and cornering energy markets.

                      They're making a massive leap to control as much vital resources as they possibly can, and have perhaps the most subservient subjugation in modern history.

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                      #29

                      @cauZation oh no doubt. But if shit really hits the fan, the end result will be an unlivable planet, and at that stage the bunkers are only going to extend the agony.

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                      • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                        @cauZation oh no doubt. But if shit really hits the fan, the end result will be an unlivable planet, and at that stage the bunkers are only going to extend the agony.

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                        #30

                        @rysiek lol, I tell myself that every I eat fresh protein, and doubt canned food can help reemerge a superior, even more abusive power from said bunkers 😉

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                        • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                          @davidgerard ah, sorry! Fixing. The broader point stands.

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                          #31

                          @rysiek oh it's absolutely clown shoes

                          but also this is only the consumer terms

                          so in many countries, advertising laws kick in! if they don't state the gotcha right there in the ads, they risk a finding of deceptive practices

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                          • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                            Do they mention any of this on their landing page? No, of course not:
                            https://openclawai.io/

                            Do they mention this on their quickstart page? No, of course not:
                            https://openclawai.io/quickstart

                            But they sure mention the managed hosting that is "coming soon"! Which of course they shill in their blogpost about the vulnerabilities:

                            > For many users, that’s a reasonable tradeoff. For others, it’s the argument for managed hosting.

                            Security fuckup? More like business opportunity, amirite? 🤡

                            🧵

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                            #32

                            @rysiek I love how this landed right after the trive/litellm/axios thing where the take out is the exact opposite of “upgrade as soon as there is a new version”.

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                            • marcink@stolat.townM marcink@stolat.town

                              @rysiek I love how this landed right after the trive/litellm/axios thing where the take out is the exact opposite of “upgrade as soon as there is a new version”.

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                              #33

                              @marcink right?

                              Don't worry, as soon as OpenClaw gets hit by supply-chain attack, which they inevitably are going to, this will flip.

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                              • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                                @GreatBigTable interesting. I have not dove into Claude Code's spaghetti myself. Would love to hear more about this.

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                                #34

                                @rysiek @GreatBigTable

                                I guess you have to ask really, really nicely, to counteract the other instruction. Or simply add a "system reminder".

                                From a great and very enjoyable thread (for certain subcategories of "enjoyable"):

                                https://neuromatch.social/@jonny/116328504299888679

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                                • wakame@tech.lgbtW wakame@tech.lgbt

                                  @rysiek @GreatBigTable

                                  I guess you have to ask really, really nicely, to counteract the other instruction. Or simply add a "system reminder".

                                  From a great and very enjoyable thread (for certain subcategories of "enjoyable"):

                                  https://neuromatch.social/@jonny/116328504299888679

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                                  #35

                                  @wakame @GreatBigTable ah yes, I've seen that in fact

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                                  • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                                    @wakame @GreatBigTable ah yes, I've seen that in fact

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                                    #36

                                    @rysiek @wakame yeah. That one. So Anthropic's clutching of pearls over this happening is performative at best. They knew that this is possible because it is baked directly into the code. "You want to bypass these safe guards? Just say these magic words."

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                                    • greatbigtable@mastodon.socialG greatbigtable@mastodon.social

                                      @rysiek @wakame yeah. That one. So Anthropic's clutching of pearls over this happening is performative at best. They knew that this is possible because it is baked directly into the code. "You want to bypass these safe guards? Just say these magic words."

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                                      #37

                                      @GreatBigTable @wakame indeed, somehow I missed that initially. Thanks!

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                                      • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                                        There used to be a time when building out a botnet required *some* work – writing exploits, taking over devices, obscuring the purpose of the executable, etc.

                                        Not any more!

                                        Instead of "malware", call it an "AI agent" and people will just happily install it on their devices with full root privileges!
                                        https://github.com/jgamblin/OpenClawCVEs/

                                        Bam! RCE by asking nicely.

                                        🧵

                                        #OpenClaw #AI #Hype #InfoSec

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                                        #38

                                        @rysiek
                                        If I were ever interested in experimenting with that kind of thing (I'm not), I would only do it in a virtual machine. To do otherwise is foolish.

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                                        • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                                          OpenClaw treats this seriously, of course, and by seriously I mean claims this is normal, nothing to see here – and blames the users:
                                          https://openclawai.io/blog/openclaw-cve-flood-nine-vulnerabilities-four-days-march-2026

                                          > This four-day flood isn’t an anomaly. It’s what happens when a project grows from enthusiast tool to infrastructure faster than its security surface can mature.

                                          > If you’re running OpenClaw, you’re signing up to track upstream releases, apply patches promptly, and monitor advisories — indefinitely.

                                          🧵

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                                          #39

                                          @rysiek wow, they are so casual about authentication just not existing, I mean wow

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