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Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

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  • jerrej@mastodon.socialJ jerrej@mastodon.social

    @mikaeleiman @disco3000

    They made seven/eight seat yet still smallish "station wagons" sixty years ago and I still see plenty of that format driving around now. Who is supposedly stopping anyone building those now, exactly?

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    #181

    @jerrej @WestLawns I haven't found more than a handful of alterantives for: full EV, seven seats for adults, price below 65k € . The short list I have is Peugeot e5008 and Kia EV9…

    Our current car is a Sharan, and if there was an EV version of it we'd probably go with that.

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    • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

      Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

      "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

      https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

      https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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      #182

      @fj I was interested to read recently that US trucks have largely become bigger due to perverse incentives from the EPA: essentially, makers have to make vehicles more fuel efficient over time, but fuel economy is calculated relative to footprint (wheelbase x track width). Making trucks bigger is easier than making the engines more efficient.

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      • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

        Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

        "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

        https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

        https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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        #183

        @fj

        Their countries, their laws, their choice..

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        • skc@scottodon.comS skc@scottodon.com

          @fj @macmanx can we get these off of US roads too?

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          #184

          @skc @fj @macmanx

          I second this..

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          • isocat@tiggi.esI isocat@tiggi.es

            @fj The US – the only country on the planet to reject the international-consensus U.N. Vehicle safety and emissions regulations, instead clinging rabidly to their own (different, mostly not better, often substantially worse) standards, and which uses bogus taxes to keep non-US pickup trucks out – bitching about non-tariff trade barriers when the world's grownup countries close enforcement loopholes on the world's grownup vehicle standards. Fabulous.

            Let's hope Europe doesn't repeat Japan's very stupid mistake.

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            #185

            @isocat @fj There's plenty of Toyota and Nissan trucks in the US. The Kei trucks are banned in many states though

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            • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

              Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

              "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

              https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

              https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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              #186

              @fj I'd love to see the comparison of the F150 now and the F150 30 years ago. Older one was able to do the work requirements but wasn't a giant on the road.

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              • trebach@functional.cafeT trebach@functional.cafe

                @isocat @fj There's plenty of Toyota and Nissan trucks in the US. The Kei trucks are banned in many states though

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                #187

                @trebach @fj Yes, there are, and they're US trucks just as much as any Chev, Ford, or Ram. There are _numerous_ kinds of pickup truck unavailable in the US because of the Chicken Tax.

                Kei vehicles are federally illegal; the thing you're thinking of is some states wisely refusing registration of Japanese-spec vehicles brought in under the federal 25-year rule (vehicles >25 years old can be imported regardless of regulatory noncompliance).

                Why is that wise of those states? Because Japanese-spec vehicles are, in several inherent ways, not safely compatible with US right-hand traffic. The same way US vehicles are, in several inherent ways, unsafe in Japan's left-hand traffic, which is why Japan's capitulation was foolish.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax

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                • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                  Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                  "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                  https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                  https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                  #188

                  @fj they (USA) should really FO with their small-dick and small-brain compensators.

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                  • ghard@mastodon.socialG ghard@mastodon.social

                    @reloadedhead @richlv @fj I see aso’s driving these wank panzers around narrow streets in Amsterdam.

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                    #189

                    @ghard @reloadedhead @richlv @fj yeh, I always make a point of staring at them with a disgusted look on my face. Worst is these things in Amsterdam rush hour, when they go through the traffic lights even though there is no space to go on, and then block the crossing. Most cyclists at RAI crossing will bang on the side as they go past, but it’s necessary as they might move on as the traffic moves and won’t see us.

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                    • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                      Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                      "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                      https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                      https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                      #190

                      @fj As it should! American automakers are vulgar!

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                      • reloadedhead@mastodon.socialR reloadedhead@mastodon.social

                        @tkissing chill, I asked respectfully. You should consider answering in a similar manner.

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                        #191

                        @reloadedhead @tkissing there are limits to the respect owed to a “respectful question”, depending on the topic. If I politely ask the internet “why shouldn’t an individual have the right to own another human being?” I should remember that for other people it’s not just an “interesting philosophical question”, but something that has caused suffering. SUVs disproportionately kill pedestrians and other road users, and terrify the rest of us. If question is not disingenuous it’s lacking empathy.

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                        • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                          Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                          "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                          https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                          https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                          #192

                          @fj @lisamelton Also just stupidly inefficient in their use of space. It’s just automotive man-spreading.

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                          • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                            Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                            "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                            https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                            https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                            #193

                            @fj Todlergrinders. Keep them out.

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                            • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                              Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                              "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                              https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                              https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                              #194

                              @fj
                              Having driven in Europe on a vacation last year, I wouldn't drive any pick-up larger than a Ford Ranger there. The roads and parking aren't sized to handle those oversized monsters for anything other than commercial purposes.

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                              • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                                Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                                "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                                https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                                https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                                #195

                                @fj
                                EU has no law barring US monsters from the market.
                                The cars must only obey the security requirements, esp. pedestrian safety.

                                Beyond 3.5t total weight (i.e. max loaded) a vehicle qualifies as freight transporter and requires an enterprise, a regularly re-tested commercial vehicles driving license (including medical check-ups every 2 years).

                                Plus speed limit at 80km/h as for any other truck.

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                                • nuwagaba2@mastodon.socialN nuwagaba2@mastodon.social

                                  @Kensan
                                  Isn't their cost so high?

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                                  #196

                                  @nuwagaba2 Not from my experience (in Japan). Why would the cost be high?

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                                  • mintyfries@mastodon.socialM mintyfries@mastodon.social

                                    @fj In a small suburban town of the US. Most people on my street have a giant truck like this. They never seem to haul anything with them. And they all like to start their ridiculously loud and smelly engines up, only to idle for 10-20 minutes before leaving. Never a quiet moment.

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                                    #197

                                    @mintyfries
                                    What is it with people who start their car up and idle it for at *least* 10 minutes, even when it's not that cold? Several of my neighbors do that, especially the neighbor whose driveway is right outside my window, and whose son does the same thing plus he has these earth-shaking woofers in it going the whole time.

                                    And they also open and slam the doors at least a dozen times too. What the hell are they doing, loading up for a week's vacation?

                                    When I leave, I get in my car, start it up, and go. If it's really cold I might let it idle for 1-2 minutes at most. They warm up faster if you go ahead and start driving.

                                    @fj

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                                    • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                                      Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                                      "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                                      https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                                      https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                                      #198

                                      @fj
                                      A woman I know was killed by one of these while walking back to her car in a parking lot. The asshole never saw her, sped past another car that had stopped to wait for her, and she died on the spot. 😞

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                                      • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                                        Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                                        "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                                        https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                                        https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                                        #199

                                        @fj
                                        Well done Brussels

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                                        • fj@mastodon.socialF fj@mastodon.social

                                          Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

                                          "US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”

                                          https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd

                                          https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-twingo-1998-3-door-hatchback-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/

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                                          #200

                                          @fj Those trucks are grotesque.

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