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  3. I desperately need Democratic Party leadership to understand that winning the House and Senate cannot mean a return to "normal" pre-Trump.

I desperately need Democratic Party leadership to understand that winning the House and Senate cannot mean a return to "normal" pre-Trump.

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  • qasimrashid@mastodon.socialQ qasimrashid@mastodon.social

    I desperately need Democratic Party leadership to understand that winning the House and Senate cannot mean a return to "normal" pre-Trump.

    That "normal" pre-Trump is what led to Trump. Don't believe me? Two terms under Obama led us to Trump. Then we rallied and elected Biden in 2020 and got him a trifecta government. Biden stuck to "norms," and it led us right back to Trump in 2024.

    If you're not ready to disrupt the entire system that keeps electing Trump, you need to be voted out as well.

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    #36

    @QasimRashid Not sure that Obama or Biden led to Trump.

    I think it was neoliberalism under Reagan and therefor the rise of super rich tech bros together with a broken bipartisan election system in a turbo-capitalist society led to Trump.

    But I agree: the US need to fix their broken system.
    Turn away from bipartisan system, throw the election system over with its majority based election, move to proportional representation, fix your crazy educational system, overturn the concentration of media outlets in the hands of super rich, tax the super rich until they are just rich, end the life time jobs of federal judges of the supreme court for a max. term of 10 years, get real universal health care for all, end US defaultism and exceptionalism, etc…

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    • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

      @QasimRashid

      We desperately need new Democratic Party leadership when we win the House and Senate.

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      #37

      @mastodonmigration Any new leadership will also be a wholly-owned servant of big capital.

      @QasimRashid

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      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

        @phaedral @QasimRashid

        i am regularly spouting the very same sentiment

        however we see alternatives now: AOC, Mamdani, El-Sayed, etc

        so what we do is vote to get 50 more Mamdanis

        people who don't vote out of frustration with centrist democrats are idiots

        but we have to articulate a valid response to this dead weak centrism in the democratic party

        again:

        not voting is for idiots and is acceptance of fascism

        not replacing (which we do by voting) centrist dems... is the same, in the long run

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        #38

        @benroyce @phaedral @QasimRashid Let's not go around saying Kamdani is alt yet, he has plenty of time to back down from promises. Mamdani is a start, not the end goal.

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        • sordid_seraphim@mastodon.socialS sordid_seraphim@mastodon.social

          @benroyce @phaedral @QasimRashid Let's not go around saying Kamdani is alt yet, he has plenty of time to back down from promises. Mamdani is a start, not the end goal.

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          #39

          @Sordid_Seraphim @phaedral @QasimRashid

          of course

          but let's not act like everyone on the left is a future fetterman

          there will be future fettermans

          that's just life. disappointments are normal. no progress comes without difficulties

          but if a mere *possibility* that someone might go centrist or worse, nothing real, just a fear, is enough to turn people off from engaging, well that's completely fucked up. i don't know to address that kind of reticence

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          • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

            @Sordid_Seraphim @phaedral @QasimRashid

            of course

            but let's not act like everyone on the left is a future fetterman

            there will be future fettermans

            that's just life. disappointments are normal. no progress comes without difficulties

            but if a mere *possibility* that someone might go centrist or worse, nothing real, just a fear, is enough to turn people off from engaging, well that's completely fucked up. i don't know to address that kind of reticence

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            #40

            @benroyce @phaedral @QasimRashid
            The issue is Mamdani successfully branded himself as Socialist to the crowd. Any L's he takes lands directly in the pocket of the left.

            That's especially an issue if he is actually a sneaky establishment dem then it's the dury of the people to hold his feet to the fire.

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            • sordid_seraphim@mastodon.socialS sordid_seraphim@mastodon.social

              @benroyce @phaedral @QasimRashid
              The issue is Mamdani successfully branded himself as Socialist to the crowd. Any L's he takes lands directly in the pocket of the left.

              That's especially an issue if he is actually a sneaky establishment dem then it's the dury of the people to hold his feet to the fire.

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              #41

              @Sordid_Seraphim @phaedral @QasimRashid

              It's especially an issue if he's actually an alien from Alpha Centauri 😂

              Come on

              You're speaking on baseless fictitious suspicions

              You take the man at his word

              If he goes back on his word, you castigate him

              If he doesn't, you celebrate him

              But if instead, he hasn't gone back on his word, and you sit there envisioning horrible betrayals this is just some fucked up bullshit

              I'm going to take a wild guess and say you can be rather paranoid?

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              • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                @Sordid_Seraphim @phaedral @QasimRashid

                It's especially an issue if he's actually an alien from Alpha Centauri 😂

                Come on

                You're speaking on baseless fictitious suspicions

                You take the man at his word

                If he goes back on his word, you castigate him

                If he doesn't, you celebrate him

                But if instead, he hasn't gone back on his word, and you sit there envisioning horrible betrayals this is just some fucked up bullshit

                I'm going to take a wild guess and say you can be rather paranoid?

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                #42

                @benroyce @phaedral @QasimRashid except the dude already backdown on his stance on police.

                Why are you acting like what I'm saying is crazy, this is how the democrats have operated for well over a decade.

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                • sordid_seraphim@mastodon.socialS sordid_seraphim@mastodon.social

                  @benroyce @phaedral @QasimRashid except the dude already backdown on his stance on police.

                  Why are you acting like what I'm saying is crazy, this is how the democrats have operated for well over a decade.

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                  #43

                  @Sordid_Seraphim @phaedral @QasimRashid

                  you're disappointed in a stated policy position isn't happening fast enough on one issue, so "everybody the same"

                  😂

                  do you expect the culture of the NYPD to change on a dime?

                  do you want Mamdani patrolling the streets along with the cops?

                  or will you show some patience and temperance and understand big problems take awhile to change?

                  or, you know, "utopia on day 1 or the same as fascism"

                  🤣

                  yeah, i think what you're saying is crazy

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                  • qasimrashid@mastodon.socialQ qasimrashid@mastodon.social

                    I desperately need Democratic Party leadership to understand that winning the House and Senate cannot mean a return to "normal" pre-Trump.

                    That "normal" pre-Trump is what led to Trump. Don't believe me? Two terms under Obama led us to Trump. Then we rallied and elected Biden in 2020 and got him a trifecta government. Biden stuck to "norms," and it led us right back to Trump in 2024.

                    If you're not ready to disrupt the entire system that keeps electing Trump, you need to be voted out as well.

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                    #44

                    @QasimRashid Part of the problem is fixing the Supreme Court decision Citizens United: whether by a constitutional amendment or by adding more justices. While it could be just "please send us money", I got the following in an email from the DNC: "Here’s the deal: The GOP has its billionaire allies already spending hundreds of millions of dollars to keep MAGA in control of the House and Senate."

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                    • ij@nerdculture.deI ij@nerdculture.de

                      @QasimRashid Not sure that Obama or Biden led to Trump.

                      I think it was neoliberalism under Reagan and therefor the rise of super rich tech bros together with a broken bipartisan election system in a turbo-capitalist society led to Trump.

                      But I agree: the US need to fix their broken system.
                      Turn away from bipartisan system, throw the election system over with its majority based election, move to proportional representation, fix your crazy educational system, overturn the concentration of media outlets in the hands of super rich, tax the super rich until they are just rich, end the life time jobs of federal judges of the supreme court for a max. term of 10 years, get real universal health care for all, end US defaultism and exceptionalism, etc…

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                      #45

                      @ij @QasimRashid

                      That really sounds like a list of reforms the broligarchs would support.

                      Might be getting to the time to water the tree of liberty.

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                      • pineywoozle@masto.aiP pineywoozle@masto.ai

                        @QasimRashid In this election if you’re a Democrat & you have the best chance of winning in the General, I’m going to vote for you. I don’t care who you are. Period the motherfucking end. Once the primary is over, I do not give two shits. You are getting my vote and that includes motherfuckers who stir up
                        trouble 2 months before an election under the guise of purity bullshit. Trump didn’t happen because of the Dems. Trump happened because we didn’t vote enough Dems in PERIOD.

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                        #46

                        @Pineywoozle @QasimRashid

                        Shouldn't you check what the Dems policy on Palestine is?
                        And stay at home because
                        Principles > Fascism ?

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                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                          @Sordid_Seraphim @phaedral @QasimRashid

                          you're disappointed in a stated policy position isn't happening fast enough on one issue, so "everybody the same"

                          😂

                          do you expect the culture of the NYPD to change on a dime?

                          do you want Mamdani patrolling the streets along with the cops?

                          or will you show some patience and temperance and understand big problems take awhile to change?

                          or, you know, "utopia on day 1 or the same as fascism"

                          🤣

                          yeah, i think what you're saying is crazy

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                          #47

                          @benroyce @phaedral @QasimRashid but I - he literally said! -

                          I'm going to sleep.

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                          • pineywoozle@masto.aiP pineywoozle@masto.ai

                            @mastodonmigration @QasimRashid Yep, and the purity BS is already starting. We need to point it out for the dangerous stupidity it is loud and often. If the people who didn’t find HC or KH pure enough had gotten off their privlaged high horse and just voted Dem we wouldn’t have had tRump a single time let alone two. All the deaths under tRump are as much on their heads as they are the republicans & tRump.

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                            #48

                            @Pineywoozle @mastodonmigration @QasimRashid

                            I'll be voting a straight Democratic ticket -- Social Democrats whenever possible.

                            I have low hopes nonetheless.

                            Too bad most of us were more worried about school shootings than democracy. The Left could use a few self-defense guns when the fascists start hunting.

                            We simply MUST win the midterms.

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                            • zagone@hear-me.socialZ zagone@hear-me.social

                              @Pineywoozle @mastodonmigration @QasimRashid

                              I'll be voting a straight Democratic ticket -- Social Democrats whenever possible.

                              I have low hopes nonetheless.

                              Too bad most of us were more worried about school shootings than democracy. The Left could use a few self-defense guns when the fascists start hunting.

                              We simply MUST win the midterms.

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                              #49

                              @Pineywoozle @mastodonmigration @QasimRashid

                              Or hope the military stays loyal to the people.

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                              • sordid_seraphim@mastodon.socialS sordid_seraphim@mastodon.social

                                @benroyce @phaedral @QasimRashid but I - he literally said! -

                                I'm going to sleep.

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                                #50

                                @Sordid_Seraphim @phaedral @QasimRashid

                                if i say "i want to end world hunger"

                                then i'm elected president

                                and world hunger doesn't immediately end on day 1

                                am i liar? did i betray you?

                                am i immediately the same as the guy who said "more hungry, more bombs, more billionaires"

                                an objective is not a promise of complete victory in no time

                                your "standards" for making hilariously cynical judgments is fucking wack

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                                • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

                                  @Pineywoozle @QasimRashid

                                  💯 The worst centrist Dem is infinitely better than any GOP candidate. Vote.

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                                  #51

                                  @mastodonmigration if there's no democratic candidate running, just put a golden retriever in. Everyone prefers a dog to the current unwashed gop

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