Pressure on Senators •is working•.
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And to be clear, zeroing out the budget, scrapping the DHS, returning its law enforcement duties to local agencies, and prosecuting ICE officers — all of that! — is the •moderate• position here.
The extremist position is violence of a kind and scale I shudder to contemplate.
Pressure them. Rattle them out of their stupor.
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@johnzajac @inthehands ...that the candidates you send in to battle the old guard have a tendency to get diluted. That's sadly very hard to avoid, when the new blood is trying to figure out how to navigate the machinery, but it can be countered by sending even more democrats even further from the old guard immediately after.
It's part of what the Republicans did, only they moved in the other direction.
Here's the thing: observations about "old guard" and "new guard" are irrelevant. The Democratic party has proven over the last year (and especially last month) that they are not fit to govern.
The real question is how to dislodge their party's corpse from its perch straddling every electoral process in the country, while still defeating fascism and protecting the vulnerable.
But fascism won't die until both Republicans and Democrats are gone.
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I don’t actually expect centrist Senators to do this. I mean… come on. But a bunch of these noodle-spined tools think politics means splitting the difference between opposing positions, so I’m just giving them an opposing position that actually packs a punch before they water it down. (“Don’t negotiate against yourself. Ask for what you want.”)
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@inthehands Exactly. I think we have to tug more in the Overton window.
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My message to Senators:
❝The correct amount of funding for not just ICE but the •entire Department of Homeland Security• is zero. ZERO. You heard me: the entire agency. Under current leadership, it is off the rails. It is dangerous. It it a menace.
“More training” is a pathetic non-answer; that just means more money. These murderers are trained; they are just monsters. Don’t say “better oversight.” Don’t say “more reforms.” Pull the rug. Switch it off. • Shut • it • down • NOW •
If you have to shut down every airport in the country because the TSA budget is in there too, then you shut down every damned airport in the country. If you have to shut down the federal government again, you shut it down. Your inaction is sleepwalking the country into civil war. SHUT. IT. DOWN.❞
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@inthehands This is not a training problem because they’re doing exactly what they’re being told to do, what they’re given impunity to do. And there is no oversight when the overseers WANT THIS and are trying to foment more violence.
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your "extremist" position reminds me of this short story (from @garbados ?) that i have had open in a spare tab for *months*
https://blog.bovid.space/they-let-me-live
it is oddly hopeful about the aftermath of adopting the extremist position
@trochee @inthehands It's an incredible story, I think about it often.
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@Vonskinnback as @inthehands has pointed out, these are the moderate solutions. My more radical version would be to exile them to North Korea. If they want to grovel before a preposterous dictator, let them go do that. Put them on a boat off the North Korean coast, let it drift towards the shore, good bye and good riddance.
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your "extremist" position reminds me of this short story (from @garbados ?) that i have had open in a spare tab for *months*
https://blog.bovid.space/they-let-me-live
it is oddly hopeful about the aftermath of adopting the extremist position
@trochee @inthehands @garbados Thanks for sharing that, it was delightfully written.
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And to be clear, zeroing out the budget, scrapping the DHS, returning its law enforcement duties to local agencies, and prosecuting ICE officers — all of that! — is the •moderate• position here.
The extremist position is violence of a kind and scale I shudder to contemplate.
Pressure them. Rattle them out of their stupor.
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@inthehands violence of kind and scale against fascism is in fact NOT violence but self and community defense. These murderers must face real and SEVERE consequences this time. We made it too easy for Nazis and fascists after WW2. This time we eliminate them ALL. Including their voting base that enabled and cheers this on.
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Pressure on Senators •is working•. Previously head-in-sand centrist Senators are actually coming out to vote against ICE funding. Their positions are still weak and insufficient, and more need to cave to pressure — but they are visibly buckling.
Again, we should not and must not wait on elected officials to save us — they will not — but we can and should deploy pressure on them as a strategic tool in moments when that can be useful.
Now is such a moment. KEEP IT UP.
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@inthehands Restorative justice and rehabilitation for all though.
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I want ICE disbanded immediately and payroll rescinded. These are folks who joined the Nazis with both eyes open. They should not be paid for their part in joining an operation for murdering citizens. They don't get that $50k. They don't get whatever they were set to. If the Trump administration can cancel payroll for however many people at the say of DOGE, this should be juuust fine.
I really want them locked up in freezing concrete bunkers with no toiletries, clothes or food for weeks, but our system still believes in humane treatment for mass murderers.
@theogrin @inthehands well, it used to. They can go to the for-profit detention centers as tenants.
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@theogrin @inthehands well, it used to. They can go to the for-profit detention centers as tenants.
That would be the ideal result.
Oh, what's that? There aren't enough to hold all the Nazis humanely? Too fucking bad, cram them in like sardines.
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UPDATE: I am now seeing reports of Senators calling for the impeachment of Noem.
Good. Fine. Do that. Yay. Put a head on a pike.
My demand upthread doesn’t change. Having a different Trump appointee running ICE will not fix ICE. You can’t fix ICE. Scrap it. Abolish it. Shut it down. This deranged tyrant must not and cannot be allowed to have an unaccountable personal army.
Still, I’m delighted that Senators are scrambling to do something. Keep up the pressure. Keep them all scared.
Speaking as a Brit and anarchist here.
Your entire political system is FUBARed.
If the entire MAGA/Republican crime syndicate were to replaced by the Democrats overnight there wouldn't be much real change. Trump and MAGA have destroyed the USA. The Dems would try to work with the wreckage instead of throwing the whole sorry mess away and starting from scratch.
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Umm … everybody who watched the videos knows Alex never touched his gun.
NRA wrote:
“This sentiment from the First Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Central District of California is dangerous and wrong.
Responsible public voices should be awaiting a full investigation, not making generalizations and demonizing law-abiding citizens.”Which part is the gaslighting?
The part where he quotes an emotional comment on the heels of a brutal state killing, completely out of context as though it was a policy statement.
That's bullshit gaslighting.
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@inthehands I don’t want platitudes. I want action. Klobuchar disgusts me. She can’t even bring herself to say that ICE should be abolished. I want a real leader to stand up somewhere, unite the resistance, and get stuff done. This is beyond normal times and normal niceties like voting against extra funding to DHS.
@amyshark @inthehands Your disgust is misplaced and malevolent.
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My message to Senators:
❝The correct amount of funding for not just ICE but the •entire Department of Homeland Security• is zero. ZERO. You heard me: the entire agency. Under current leadership, it is off the rails. It is dangerous. It it a menace.
“More training” is a pathetic non-answer; that just means more money. These murderers are trained; they are just monsters. Don’t say “better oversight.” Don’t say “more reforms.” Pull the rug. Switch it off. • Shut • it • down • NOW •
If you have to shut down every airport in the country because the TSA budget is in there too, then you shut down every damned airport in the country. If you have to shut down the federal government again, you shut it down. Your inaction is sleepwalking the country into civil war. SHUT. IT. DOWN.❞
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@inthehands Thank you for providing this prompt/template ofr addressing it. I seem to have more representation in my district from Democrats and, I definitely wish to call out the inaction on these issues. >.<
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My message to Senators:
❝The correct amount of funding for not just ICE but the •entire Department of Homeland Security• is zero. ZERO. You heard me: the entire agency. Under current leadership, it is off the rails. It is dangerous. It it a menace.
“More training” is a pathetic non-answer; that just means more money. These murderers are trained; they are just monsters. Don’t say “better oversight.” Don’t say “more reforms.” Pull the rug. Switch it off. • Shut • it • down • NOW •
If you have to shut down every airport in the country because the TSA budget is in there too, then you shut down every damned airport in the country. If you have to shut down the federal government again, you shut it down. Your inaction is sleepwalking the country into civil war. SHUT. IT. DOWN.❞
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@inthehands Done. This is the 3rd or 4th time I've left a message for my senators, but I like your script much better than Indivisible's (much as I appreciate their work). Thanks!
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@inthehands This is not a training problem because they’re doing exactly what they’re being told to do, what they’re given impunity to do. And there is no oversight when the overseers WANT THIS and are trying to foment more violence.
@StephanieMoore @inthehands A bit more to add to this... The guy who murdered Good is a 10-year veteran of ICE. The guy who murdered Pretti is an 8-year veteran of ICE. Nobody can honestly say these people weren't trained. And we all know exactly what they were trained for.
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