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  3. “software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can.

“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can.

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  • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

    the US can’t implement gun registration in most jurisdictions because literally nobody complied with any of the attempts to enforce it but yeah sure we have to do age verification or else an entire industry built on our free software will switch to ??????

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    @zzt They probably will make it illegal to bypass that "attestation" and it will make for a good pretext for a "probable cause" for searches/arrests/investigations and fines/jail time/prison time.

    That's by design - make a pointless law that the majority of people would break and enforce it very selectively against anyone with politics straying from "the right party" or being a part of some minority that "the right party" wants to subjugate/oppress/eradicate. And it comes with bonus points for isolating vulnerable groups. That's authoritarian playbook 101.

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    • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

      “it’s just a column in a database” said presumably a full grown adult whose ability to live under capitalism is a column in their bank’s database

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      @zzt your whole thesis is that if we want to be in solidarity we should do nothing , while also acknowledging that the field in the database is basically a form of doing nothing. I like seeing the field as a form of plausible deniability, we done our job! — I believe there’s ways to interpret the current happenings in a light that’s much more aligned with your values, maybe take some time to try see it that way.

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      • eljojo@ruby.socialE eljojo@ruby.social

        @zzt your whole thesis is that if we want to be in solidarity we should do nothing , while also acknowledging that the field in the database is basically a form of doing nothing. I like seeing the field as a form of plausible deniability, we done our job! — I believe there’s ways to interpret the current happenings in a light that’s much more aligned with your values, maybe take some time to try see it that way.

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        @eljojo @zzt

        I have been lied to:

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        • howtophil@oldbytes.spaceH howtophil@oldbytes.space

          @zzt And DVDs

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          @howtophil @zzt

          "Even mpg123 and the DeCSS dolphin are mad at you."

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          • theentity@social.treehouse.systemsT theentity@social.treehouse.systems

            @eljojo @zzt

            I have been lied to:

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            @TheEntity @zzt joke's on you, the warranty only applies to posts, not replies. it's a different jurisdiction!

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            • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

              “software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like,” I said, from a linux system that can play and encode MP3s

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              #106

              @zzt I mean, it prevents people from sending hate speech and/or other threats, right?

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              • chiraag@mastodon.onlineC chiraag@mastodon.online

                @zzt And no, I'm not missing the point. The point is that anyone who uses systemd-userdbd is affected, so the solution is to make it an optional bit of systemd (which Debian already does). Additionally, that bug was fixed, so users _can_ disable systemd-userdbd.{service,socket} now.

                I don't like this bullshit for sure, though. I just feel like being accurate matters here, and so much of what you're saying is wrong or at best misleading.

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                @chiraag @zzt
                It's just too bad not everyone has your acumen for Linux, but you don't seem to "get" people if you think all of this even made sense to most of us. (I actually think I'm ok with Linux and you went way beyond my comfort zone)

                I hope it won't be a surprise if i think the sensible interpretation from my perspective is to assume you know your ideas are not actually possible for normal people, so you are just mansplaining here

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                • prism@infosec.exchangeP prism@infosec.exchange

                  @zzt The venn diagram between people claiming we can't ignore age verrification and the people who've been happily ignoring accessibility and privacy regulations for decades is a flat circle.

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                  @prism @zzt my worry about these ridiculous new laws is that they are either entirely impossible to really implement or will destroy entry into computers for kids.

                  percieved "violation" of the nonsense laws will be applied at will by oppressive agencies to harass people on demand.

                  but your point about accessibility is a good one

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