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  • elwollito@muenchen.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
    elwollito@muenchen.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
    elwollito@muenchen.social
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    #129

    @davidrevoy @_elena @kawunngg
    all of the big models are trained on Reddit so I don´t think additional tarpits are needen

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    • hikingdude@mastodon.socialH hikingdude@mastodon.social

      @Justin @_elena
      I am a big opponent of hype and slop and misuse - but I'm a realist and expect that the technology won't go away. No matter wether I like it or not.

      So I don't regard it weird at all.

      But if you want me to take a position to be either a proponent OR opponent - well then I have to disappoint.

      justin@social.younger.wtfJ This user is from outside of this forum
      justin@social.younger.wtfJ This user is from outside of this forum
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      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #130

      @hikingdude @_elena you are literally indistinguishable from any other slop proponent. Centrism for AI. Not all AI, this argument is so so so old its almost funny.

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      • trezzer@social.linux.pizzaT trezzer@social.linux.pizza

        @_elena I wish we'd have CW for both sides, because I really don't want to hear more from either. Enough has been said to make up minds, and now it just seems like an infinite echo that is slowly driving me mad.

        detours_anachroniques@piaille.frD This user is from outside of this forum
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        #131

        @trezzer @_elena Isn't that what the Internet has become? 😭

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        • andycarolan@social.lolA andycarolan@social.lol

          @_elena While I don't feel that I belong on such a list, I resist as much and as often as I can.

          shellsharks@shellsharks.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #132

          @andycarolan @_elena Same. I’m not as prolific with my anti-AI position as some that you’ve mentioned but my thoughts and feelings have definitely been made known. Here’s my canonical stance on AI here —> https://shellsharks.com/ai. TL;DR: I don’t like AI 🤭

          Some other suggestions off the top of my head…
          - @WeirdWriter (I mean have you read THIS yet? https://sightlessscribbles.com/posts/the-colonization-of-confidence/)
          - @mttaggart
          - @32x33
          - @bagder (well he’s had his AI run-ins 😅)
          - @robb
          - @joxean
          - @brennan
          - @neurovagrant
          - @Viss

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          • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

            @_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @jaredwhite @tante I also just add a little assertion that one other thing I hate about this moment of "AI" is that the field of "AI" has had many interesting branches in it, and now we only talk about one (machine learning models) and I am deeply bitter about that.

            qurlyjoe@mstdn.socialQ This user is from outside of this forum
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            qurlyjoe@mstdn.social
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #133

            @cwebber
            There are many scientific and technological realms where AI is able to massage large volumes of data quickly to find solutions to all kinds of problems. This is good. Using AI to make deepfake porn, not so much. If only there were a way to promote one without the other latching on.

            @_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @jaredwhite @tante

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            • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

              Dear Fedi friends,

              I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.

              Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.

              Do you have any recommendations?

              So far, at the top of my list I have:

              @timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR

              plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante

              Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?

              leonieke@squilla.vitaulium.euL This user is from outside of this forum
              leonieke@squilla.vitaulium.euL This user is from outside of this forum
              leonieke@squilla.vitaulium.eu
              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #134

              @_elena Would you be willing to share your list? 🙂

              #NoAI

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              • shellsharks@shellsharks.socialS shellsharks@shellsharks.social

                @andycarolan @_elena Same. I’m not as prolific with my anti-AI position as some that you’ve mentioned but my thoughts and feelings have definitely been made known. Here’s my canonical stance on AI here —> https://shellsharks.com/ai. TL;DR: I don’t like AI 🤭

                Some other suggestions off the top of my head…
                - @WeirdWriter (I mean have you read THIS yet? https://sightlessscribbles.com/posts/the-colonization-of-confidence/)
                - @mttaggart
                - @32x33
                - @bagder (well he’s had his AI run-ins 😅)
                - @robb
                - @joxean
                - @brennan
                - @neurovagrant
                - @Viss

                andycarolan@social.lolA This user is from outside of this forum
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                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #135

                @shellsharks Thanks for the list of people! That's awesome. I think your position on AI is similar to mine. I did once have an /ai slashpage, but I removed it as I have a single line in my FAQ page, but I might rewrite that to better explain my thoughts. @_elena @WeirdWriter @mttaggart @32x33 @bagder @robb @joxean @brennan @neurovagrant @Viss

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                • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                  Dear Fedi friends,

                  I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.

                  Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.

                  Do you have any recommendations?

                  So far, at the top of my list I have:

                  @timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR

                  plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante

                  Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?

                  tlariv@mastodon.cloudT This user is from outside of this forum
                  tlariv@mastodon.cloudT This user is from outside of this forum
                  tlariv@mastodon.cloud
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #136

                  @_elena

                  They don't seem to be very active in the fedi, but @randomwalker and @sayashk are Princeton computer scientists who cowrote the excellent book AI Snake Oil and now and now maintain https://www.normaltech.ai/p/ai-as-normal-technology

                  @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante

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                  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                    Dear Fedi friends,

                    I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.

                    Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.

                    Do you have any recommendations?

                    So far, at the top of my list I have:

                    @timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR

                    plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante

                    Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?

                    wizardofdocs@wandering.shopW This user is from outside of this forum
                    wizardofdocs@wandering.shopW This user is from outside of this forum
                    wizardofdocs@wandering.shop
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #137

                    @_elena I complain a lot about being forced to use LLMs at work
                    @jacel even more so
                    Not sure if that's what you're looking for, but we're here too

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                    • jan@social.dytrych.cloudJ jan@social.dytrych.cloud

                      @_elena regarding LLMs, it's crazy from developers' perspective. BIG tech is pushing LLMs hard to developers, saying you'll lose job or will be paid less if not using LLMs. That's what they are pushing, my colleague did even said "If you're not going to use it, you'll lose job or will be paid less." My boss doesn't like to use LLM for development, so far so good, but there is huge push and pressure towards it.

                      robotistry@mstdn.caR This user is from outside of this forum
                      robotistry@mstdn.caR This user is from outside of this forum
                      robotistry@mstdn.ca
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #138

                      @jan @_elena Waiting for the rise of artisanal coding, when people who code without LLMs are paid extra money to provide customized, reliable code.

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                      • pascaline@mastodon.nlP pascaline@mastodon.nl

                        @gbargoud

                        Same!
                        I also use content warnings when I answer to a 'puzzle' to not give away the answer 😀

                        And then: as a teacher of Adobe software, I usually start the first classes with 'We won't be using AI, what's more: I will show you how to hide all their AI options. You can make them visible again once you have enough skills and knowledge to evaluate their results. You need to learn how to do it first, before you let AI do this automatically."

                        Teaching people skills: 💗

                        @_elena @trezzer

                        jerrej@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                        jerrej@mastodon.social
                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #139

                        @pascaline @gbargoud @_elena @trezzer

                        In that context I remember "AI" as Adobe InDesign. Do you?

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                        • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                          Dear Fedi friends,

                          I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.

                          Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.

                          Do you have any recommendations?

                          So far, at the top of my list I have:

                          @timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR

                          plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante

                          Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?

                          yoasif@mastodon.socialY This user is from outside of this forum
                          yoasif@mastodon.socialY This user is from outside of this forum
                          yoasif@mastodon.social
                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                          #140

                          @_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante I have been posting about this topic -- see https://www.quippd.com/writing/2025/12/17/AIs-unpaid-debt-how-llm-scrapers-destroy-the-social-contract-of-open-source.html for a sample.

                          Also boost stuff I see. 🙂

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                          • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                            Dear Fedi friends,

                            I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.

                            Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.

                            Do you have any recommendations?

                            So far, at the top of my list I have:

                            @timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR

                            plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante

                            Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?

                            thomas@schoffelen.netT This user is from outside of this forum
                            thomas@schoffelen.netT This user is from outside of this forum
                            thomas@schoffelen.net
                            wrote sidst redigeret af
                            #141

                            @_elena It’s funny, I only really see people who are intensely hardline anti-AI on Mastodon, and only enthusiastic shortsighted AI bros on LinkedIn. Where’s the sensible center? (or people that don’t talk about AI at all, even better!)

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                            • jerrej@mastodon.socialJ jerrej@mastodon.social

                              @pascaline @gbargoud @_elena @trezzer

                              In that context I remember "AI" as Adobe InDesign. Do you?

                              pascaline@mastodon.nlP This user is from outside of this forum
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                              pascaline@mastodon.nl
                              wrote sidst redigeret af
                              #142

                              @jerrej

                              AI is Adobe Illustrator 😊
                              ID is for InDesign.
                              InDesign came much later. It was a clever move to develop it since it took away so many QuarkXpress users. Since InDesign was 'already in the suite' at the time, users quickly took to it.

                              @gbargoud @_elena @trezzer

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                              • jerrej@mastodon.socialJ jerrej@mastodon.social

                                @pascaline @gbargoud @_elena @trezzer

                                In that context I remember "AI" as Adobe InDesign. Do you?

                                trezzer@social.linux.pizzaT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                trezzer@social.linux.pizza
                                wrote sidst redigeret af
                                #143

                                @jerrej @pascaline @gbargoud @_elena Haha. I didn’t use it myself, but I know exactly what you are referring to.

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                                • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                  Dear Fedi friends,

                                  I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.

                                  Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.

                                  Do you have any recommendations?

                                  So far, at the top of my list I have:

                                  @timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR

                                  plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante

                                  Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?

                                  jab01701mid@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  jab01701mid@mastodon.social
                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #144

                                  @_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante I don't want you to follow me, but I call out and resist "LLM AI" and related intellectual informational slop.
                                  - It solves no problem I have
                                  - It is a glorified search engine, not intelligence
                                  - Pattern matching is not intelligence, ML can be good, but trust it with your life at your peril.
                                  - All software is "Artificial Intelligence"

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                                  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                    Dear Fedi friends,

                                    I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.

                                    Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.

                                    Do you have any recommendations?

                                    So far, at the top of my list I have:

                                    @timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR

                                    plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante

                                    Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?

                                    zambunny@livellosegreto.itZ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    zambunny@livellosegreto.it
                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #145

                                    @_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante Has anyone linked @kenobit ?

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                                    • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                      Dear Fedi friends,

                                      I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.

                                      Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.

                                      Do you have any recommendations?

                                      So far, at the top of my list I have:

                                      @timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR

                                      plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante

                                      Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?

                                      zarel@mas.toZ This user is from outside of this forum
                                      zarel@mas.toZ This user is from outside of this forum
                                      zarel@mas.to
                                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                                      #146

                                      @_elena Seems that Alex Hanna is more active at https://dair-community.social/@alex

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                                      • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                        Dear Fedi friends,

                                        I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.

                                        Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.

                                        Do you have any recommendations?

                                        So far, at the top of my list I have:

                                        @timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR

                                        plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante

                                        Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?

                                        geniodiabolico@mastodon.geniodiabolico.synology.meG This user is from outside of this forum
                                        geniodiabolico@mastodon.geniodiabolico.synology.meG This user is from outside of this forum
                                        geniodiabolico@mastodon.geniodiabolico.synology.me
                                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                                        #147

                                        @_elena May I nominate myself? I have been using the hashtag #AITeaParty for my efforts to not use it directly or indirectly. I've also blogged yesterday about my depressing experience in going to my first in person developer meeting in years.

                                        https://evilgeniuschronicles.org/posts/2026/03/10/just-have-claude-code-it/

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                                        • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                          Dear Fedi friends,

                                          I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.

                                          Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.

                                          Do you have any recommendations?

                                          So far, at the top of my list I have:

                                          @timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR

                                          plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante

                                          Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?

                                          abucci@buc.ciA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                                          #148
                                          Hi! I’d like to nominate myself for your list. I’m not nearly as high-profile as many of the folks that you mentioned or who are being recommended, but I am a practicing computer scientist trained in AI, and I have managed to go viral on LinkedIn with my criticism of AI a few times (haha). I post pretty regularly on the fediverse about AI, usually critically though sometimes "philosophically" or politically.

                                          Some blog posts:
                                          • The failscene
                                          • Another AI Hype Cycle
                                          • Word calculators don't add up
                                          Some fediverse posts:
                                          • AI as “anti imagination”
                                          • The problem of thinking of everything as data
                                          • An automated scientist would be a random number generator
                                          • AI as eating your seed corn
                                          I usually hashtag AI posts with #AI #GenAI #GenerativeAI especially to help anyone who wants to mute this stuff.

                                          CC: @timnitGebru@dair-community.social @emilymbender@dair-community.social @alexhanna@peertube.dair-institute.org @DAIR@dair-community.social @cwebber@social.coop @jaredwhite@indieweb.social @tante@tldr.nettime.org
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