Reminder: #LibreOffice includes no AI features in the software.
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@nurglerider @peach @davidgerard @DamonWakes @libreoffice See, that's where we disagree. In my world, 1+1 will always equal 2. And if we want to value human over machine-generated things, then we should try not to leave reason behind as the first measure, because that's our common human denominator. But do in your world whatever you want.
@kingsgambit @peach @davidgerard @DamonWakes @libreoffice And while that pattern matching is nice, it comes at the cost of massive impact to the environment. Not a price worth paying, especially these days.
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@kingsgambit @peach @davidgerard @DamonWakes @libreoffice And again, as an AI bro, you make a post as though you are some profound thinker, focusing on some nonsense as an example while continuously ignoring the *PROBLEMS* of AI.
What is being touted as "Artifical Intelligence" is no such thing. It's an algorithm that is really good at pattern matching from source material. ALL of that source material is created by human beings. The "AI" can't create it can only steal.
@nurglerider @kingsgambit @davidgerard @DamonWakes @libreoffice
Evil cannot create. Only steal and corrupt that which is good.
-- J.R.R. Tolkein.
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@kingsgambit @nurglerider @peach @davidgerard @libreoffice I don't know why you keep wheeling out this 1+1 thing as if LLMs aren't notorious for screwing up basic maths.
@DamonWakes @nurglerider @peach @davidgerard @libreoffice And I am getting desperate on why you guys can not understand the purpose of an analogy. Another try: If the code is correct, it's correct.
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@DamonWakes @nurglerider @peach @davidgerard @libreoffice And I am getting desperate on why you guys can not understand the purpose of an analogy. Another try: If the code is correct, it's correct.
@kingsgambit @DamonWakes @nurglerider @davidgerard @libreoffice Have fun on the slop/slot machines. I'll stick to the real world where I use my own brain and dont outsource it all to a 3rd party fascist war-mongering llm company. (not an analogy)
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@kingsgambit @peach @davidgerard @DamonWakes @libreoffice And again, as an AI bro, you make a post as though you are some profound thinker, focusing on some nonsense as an example while continuously ignoring the *PROBLEMS* of AI.
What is being touted as "Artifical Intelligence" is no such thing. It's an algorithm that is really good at pattern matching from source material. ALL of that source material is created by human beings. The "AI" can't create it can only steal.
@nurglerider @peach @davidgerard @DamonWakes @libreoffice Alright, I don't see much sense in continuing this discussion, have a nice day though, y'all.
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@DamonWakes @nurglerider @peach @davidgerard @libreoffice And I am getting desperate on why you guys can not understand the purpose of an analogy. Another try: If the code is correct, it's correct.
@kingsgambit @nurglerider @peach @davidgerard @libreoffice I understand the purpose of an analogy perfectly well. I also understand why yours consistently fail to make the point you want them to.
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Reminder: #LibreOffice includes no AI features in the software. It doesn't rewrite your content, train algorithms, or share your data. There is zero AI functionality in the app.
Regarding the use of LLMs in the development process, we have a strict policy about this: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/AI_policy – Contributors who use such tools must be able to explain EVERY changed line of code. We do not accept any "slop".
@libreoffice that’s very disappointing.
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@kingsgambit @nurglerider @peach @davidgerard @libreoffice I understand the purpose of an analogy perfectly well. I also understand why yours consistently fail to make the point you want them to.
Ah, and why is that so? Go on, make a point. Can you even summarise mine, so I can be sure you're even trying to understand my point?
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Reminder: #LibreOffice includes no AI features in the software. It doesn't rewrite your content, train algorithms, or share your data. There is zero AI functionality in the app.
Regarding the use of LLMs in the development process, we have a strict policy about this: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/AI_policy – Contributors who use such tools must be able to explain EVERY changed line of code. We do not accept any "slop".
@libreoffice Well, thanks for letting me know, actually, I don't use such software very often and so hadn't noticed. It is a pity I will have to stop using your software at all.
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Reminder: #LibreOffice includes no AI features in the software. It doesn't rewrite your content, train algorithms, or share your data. There is zero AI functionality in the app.
Regarding the use of LLMs in the development process, we have a strict policy about this: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/AI_policy – Contributors who use such tools must be able to explain EVERY changed line of code. We do not accept any "slop".
@libreoffice That's a "follow" from me!
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Reminder: #LibreOffice includes no AI features in the software. It doesn't rewrite your content, train algorithms, or share your data. There is zero AI functionality in the app.
Regarding the use of LLMs in the development process, we have a strict policy about this: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/AI_policy – Contributors who use such tools must be able to explain EVERY changed line of code. We do not accept any "slop".
@libreoffice Response towards fresh allegation would be appreciated
https://raphus.social/@MaddieM4/117513231532012154
Or, if being straightforward: https://github.com/LibreOffice/core/commit/bbb785af22564993c7d715b0c57880fe474ee517
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Reminder: #LibreOffice includes no AI features in the software. It doesn't rewrite your content, train algorithms, or share your data. There is zero AI functionality in the app.
Regarding the use of LLMs in the development process, we have a strict policy about this: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/AI_policy – Contributors who use such tools must be able to explain EVERY changed line of code. We do not accept any "slop".
@libreoffice Welp guess I'm going back to Notepad and save myself a few dollars
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Reminder: #LibreOffice includes no AI features in the software. It doesn't rewrite your content, train algorithms, or share your data. There is zero AI functionality in the app.
Regarding the use of LLMs in the development process, we have a strict policy about this: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/AI_policy – Contributors who use such tools must be able to explain EVERY changed line of code. We do not accept any "slop".
@libreoffice fucking cowards
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@libreoffice Response towards fresh allegation would be appreciated
https://raphus.social/@MaddieM4/117513231532012154
Or, if being straightforward: https://github.com/LibreOffice/core/commit/bbb785af22564993c7d715b0c57880fe474ee517
@wannabe_alarmist @libreoffice
There is a response. It wasn't great IMHO, but I'll let you make up your own mind.
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Ah, and why is that so? Go on, make a point. Can you even summarise mine, so I can be sure you're even trying to understand my point?
@kingsgambit @libreoffice No. I find it funnier to imagine you asking an LLM what 1+1 is, then confirming its accuracy with a calculator, all while insisting the rest of us are getting left behind.
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@kingsgambit @libreoffice No. I find it funnier to imagine you asking an LLM what 1+1 is, then confirming its accuracy with a calculator, all while insisting the rest of us are getting left behind.
@DamonWakes @libreoffice alright, so no point made, just internet blah blah and patting yourself on the bias back. Bye then!
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Reminder: #LibreOffice includes no AI features in the software. It doesn't rewrite your content, train algorithms, or share your data. There is zero AI functionality in the app.
Regarding the use of LLMs in the development process, we have a strict policy about this: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/AI_policy – Contributors who use such tools must be able to explain EVERY changed line of code. We do not accept any "slop".
@libreoffice All LLM-generated code is slop, by definition.
Do not use fascist tools.
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Reminder: #LibreOffice includes no AI features in the software. It doesn't rewrite your content, train algorithms, or share your data. There is zero AI functionality in the app.
Regarding the use of LLMs in the development process, we have a strict policy about this: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/AI_policy – Contributors who use such tools must be able to explain EVERY changed line of code. We do not accept any "slop".
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Reminder: #LibreOffice includes no AI features in the software. It doesn't rewrite your content, train algorithms, or share your data. There is zero AI functionality in the app.
Regarding the use of LLMs in the development process, we have a strict policy about this: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/AI_policy – Contributors who use such tools must be able to explain EVERY changed line of code. We do not accept any "slop".
@libreoffice@fosstodon.org I use Libreoffice so I want to give the benefit of doubt but I am bit concerned here.
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@serak @libreoffice "You must be able to ..." is generally unverifiable. The hard requirements in this policy as I see them are:
- The commit message must mention the name of the LLM product.
- The commit message must mention the version of the LLM product.
- The commit message must document "the steps taken", which I'm not sure how much detail they want, but I'd expect at least a high-level description like "I wrote prompt/specification X and told product Y to generate code" or "I originally wrote this code by hand, but I had product X review it and it pointed out the following issues, so I changed it" or something like that.
- The commit message must list the line numbers where an LLM was "involved", which I'd say includes all LLM-generated code and probably also anything written/changed after LLM review.
From what I can see, none of the LLM commits do (3) or (4). (Disclaimer: I'm not sure how useful a list of line numbers would actually be in practice, but the policy says you must have them.)
Examples:
@barubary @serak @libreoffice point 1 and 2 is just doing unpaid promotion of 'AI' companies' services
