Reminder: #LibreOffice includes no AI features in the software.
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@libreoffice contributors doing a pinky promise in how they aren't using the slop machine in the way the slop machine encourages everyone to use it doesn't make those contributions any less slop.
In addition to that, it does nothing to make you less complicit with all the shockingly excessive CO2 production, hurdles in adoption of green energy, exploitation of workers in the training process, forced deskilling of specialised workers, financing and legitimisation of the most egregious corporations who are eagerly collaborating openly with fascist governments and contributing to war crimes, and transfer of wealth from individuals to these massive corporations and billionaires, among other issues that I probably forgot to include.
Do you really want to allow contributions that gave this kind of impact in the world? Changing your contribution guidelines to forbid AI contributions has both a positive impact in the development process and a positive impact in the world around. I ask you to reconsider this and make a change for the better, everyone will celebrate it the same way they celebrated the first article about not having slop features in the suite.
@ThisIsFroggie @libreoffice Finally a reading in a broader sense.
The word 'slop' should be applied as a distinctive process with critical failures under four aspects: ethical, ecological, economical and technological.
Even if someone partially claims any (dubious) improvement in only one of them, the enormity of the whole spectrum it touches is still unchanged. The 'slop' feature is distinctivity.
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Reminder: #LibreOffice includes no AI features in the software. It doesn't rewrite your content, train algorithms, or share your data. There is zero AI functionality in the app.
Regarding the use of LLMs in the development process, we have a strict policy about this: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/AI_policy – Contributors who use such tools must be able to explain EVERY changed line of code. We do not accept any "slop".
@libreoffice Did the lawyers okay the incorporation of stolen and incompatibly-licenced code? I'd love to know how you were able to overcome this insurmountable hurdle but I suspect the answer is "trust us bro"
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@nurglerider @kingsgambit @davidgerard @DamonWakes @libreoffice
Evil cannot create. Only steal and corrupt that which is good.
-- J.R.R. Tolkein.
@peach @nurglerider @kingsgambit @davidgerard @DamonWakes @libreoffice Fundamental requirements of free and open source software are correct attribution and adherence to licensing terms.
Scrapers are processing examples of code, stripping out their origins, and making correct attribution and adherence to licensing terms impossible.
This is one of the reasons we call it slop, because LLMs by design indiscriminately mix data from different sources.
A FOSS project that uses LLM-generated code is in violation of the fundamental principles of FOSS, and is no longer a FOSS project.
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Reminder: #LibreOffice includes no AI features in the software. It doesn't rewrite your content, train algorithms, or share your data. There is zero AI functionality in the app.
Regarding the use of LLMs in the development process, we have a strict policy about this: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/AI_policy – Contributors who use such tools must be able to explain EVERY changed line of code. We do not accept any "slop".
LibreSlopfest
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@VileLasagna Okay but then, since you are not arguing on the quality of the code and rather on the semantics of who wrote it, it's a little pointless as a critique? That's like saying "the code might be good but my neighbour, who I hate, wrote it, so it's shit".
@kingsgambit
Depends. If the rejection of slop is e.g. based on not wanting to boil the ocean or not wanting to work with someone who stole the worlds intellectual property, then "hating the neighbor" is a justified position.
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@nurglerider @peach @davidgerard @DamonWakes @libreoffice See, that's where we disagree. In my world, 1+1 will always equal 2. And if we want to value human over machine-generated things, then we should try not to leave reason behind as the first measure, because that's our common human denominator. But do in your world whatever you want.
@kingsgambit Sorry, how are we getting the LLM to arrive at 1 + 1 = 2? Because it isn't with math. LLMs can't handle that.
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Reminder: #LibreOffice includes no AI features in the software. It doesn't rewrite your content, train algorithms, or share your data. There is zero AI functionality in the app.
Regarding the use of LLMs in the development process, we have a strict policy about this: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/AI_policy – Contributors who use such tools must be able to explain EVERY changed line of code. We do not accept any "slop".
@libreoffice So Libreoffice is now slop. WTF? Why is everyone so committed to taking everyone's choice away?
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Reminder: #LibreOffice includes no AI features in the software. It doesn't rewrite your content, train algorithms, or share your data. There is zero AI functionality in the app.
Regarding the use of LLMs in the development process, we have a strict policy about this: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/AI_policy – Contributors who use such tools must be able to explain EVERY changed line of code. We do not accept any "slop".
@libreoffice Too late. You burned a generation of goodwill by deliberately lying to mislead us all. An awful lot of people will never trust you again. To your staff: I'm sorry this is going to happen. To your C-suite: Get bent.
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Reminder: #LibreOffice includes no AI features in the software. It doesn't rewrite your content, train algorithms, or share your data. There is zero AI functionality in the app.
Regarding the use of LLMs in the development process, we have a strict policy about this: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/AI_policy – Contributors who use such tools must be able to explain EVERY changed line of code. We do not accept any "slop".
@libreoffice we playing no true slopsman in here?
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@VileLasagna @libreoffice Ah, so a if AI writes 1+1=2, it's not true anymore, and jUsT sLoP? You guys are completely losing track ...
@kingsgambit
"eco-socialist anti-bigtech" person dropping in to defend generative AI
@VileLasagna @libreoffice
