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  3. This petition wants contributing to Free Software to be legally and officially recognized as volunteering in Germany on the same level as youth work or ambulance service:

This petition wants contributing to Free Software to be legally and officially recognized as volunteering in Germany on the same level as youth work or ambulance service:

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  • S svuorela@floss.social

    @kde We have a petition https://www.borgerforslag.dk/se-og-stoet-forslag/?Id=FT-22237 running in Denmark on the "official" petition website. If it reaches 50k signatures, the parliament is required to discuss it.

    doctorg_1@social.vivaldi.netD This user is from outside of this forum
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    #18

    @svuorela @kde
    German petition not on epetitionen.bundestag.de.
    You force me to register on a different website?
    No thanks!

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    • kde@floss.socialK kde@floss.social

      This petition wants contributing to Free Software to be legally and officially recognized as volunteering in Germany on the same level as youth work or ambulance service:

      https://www.openpetition.de/petition/online/recognition-of-work-on-open-source-as-volunteering-in-germany#petition-main

      This would bring fiscal and funding advantages for FLOSS organizations and the volunteers themselves.

      If you are a German citizen, please sign the petition and let's get our volunteers the recognition they deserve!

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      Photo credit: Redazione Cultura. distributed under CC By SA license

      hopfgeist@digitalcourage.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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      #19

      @kde Isn't this now at least the second petition for this on a third-party platform that collects your data for an uncertain outcome? Why not use the official Bundestag e-Petition system? That way: No intermediary is involved that collects your data and, when making it an official Bundestag petition, parliament has to discuss it when it has collected a certain number of signatures.

      https://epetitionen.bundestag.de/epet/peteinreichen.nc.html

      Also, why is it in English? While there are some German citizens that don't speak German, there may be a lot more that don't speak English.

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      • kde@floss.socialK kde@floss.social

        This petition wants contributing to Free Software to be legally and officially recognized as volunteering in Germany on the same level as youth work or ambulance service:

        https://www.openpetition.de/petition/online/recognition-of-work-on-open-source-as-volunteering-in-germany#petition-main

        This would bring fiscal and funding advantages for FLOSS organizations and the volunteers themselves.

        If you are a German citizen, please sign the petition and let's get our volunteers the recognition they deserve!

        ---

        Photo credit: Redazione Cultura. distributed under CC By SA license

        xs4me2@mastodon.socialX This user is from outside of this forum
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        #20

        @kde

        Great initiative!

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        • hopfgeist@digitalcourage.socialH hopfgeist@digitalcourage.social

          @kde Isn't this now at least the second petition for this on a third-party platform that collects your data for an uncertain outcome? Why not use the official Bundestag e-Petition system? That way: No intermediary is involved that collects your data and, when making it an official Bundestag petition, parliament has to discuss it when it has collected a certain number of signatures.

          https://epetitionen.bundestag.de/epet/peteinreichen.nc.html

          Also, why is it in English? While there are some German citizens that don't speak German, there may be a lot more that don't speak English.

          starwolf3000@kitsune.moeS This user is from outside of this forum
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          #21
          @hopfgeist@digitalcourage.social @kde@floss.social Ich stimme dir da vollumfänglich zu, solch eine Petition gehört eigentlich auf den Internetauftritt des Bundestages.
          Es gibt aber zumindest eine deutsche Version der Petition hier.
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          • kde@floss.socialK kde@floss.social

            This petition wants contributing to Free Software to be legally and officially recognized as volunteering in Germany on the same level as youth work or ambulance service:

            https://www.openpetition.de/petition/online/recognition-of-work-on-open-source-as-volunteering-in-germany#petition-main

            This would bring fiscal and funding advantages for FLOSS organizations and the volunteers themselves.

            If you are a German citizen, please sign the petition and let's get our volunteers the recognition they deserve!

            ---

            Photo credit: Redazione Cultura. distributed under CC By SA license

            kkarhan@infosec.spaceK This user is from outside of this forum
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            #22

            @kde what's sad is that it's not on the official federal parlament petitions portal, so it'll be consequence-free ignored eveb if it would smash the 30k quota instantly.

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            • kde@floss.socialK kde@floss.social

              This petition wants contributing to Free Software to be legally and officially recognized as volunteering in Germany on the same level as youth work or ambulance service:

              https://www.openpetition.de/petition/online/recognition-of-work-on-open-source-as-volunteering-in-germany#petition-main

              This would bring fiscal and funding advantages for FLOSS organizations and the volunteers themselves.

              If you are a German citizen, please sign the petition and let's get our volunteers the recognition they deserve!

              ---

              Photo credit: Redazione Cultura. distributed under CC By SA license

              ra1n@social.freedombits.orgR This user is from outside of this forum
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              #23
              @kde without the efforts of developers Linux wouldn't be where is it now, especially with gaming so yea thanks to all devs ❤️
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              • kde@floss.socialK kde@floss.social

                This petition wants contributing to Free Software to be legally and officially recognized as volunteering in Germany on the same level as youth work or ambulance service:

                https://www.openpetition.de/petition/online/recognition-of-work-on-open-source-as-volunteering-in-germany#petition-main

                This would bring fiscal and funding advantages for FLOSS organizations and the volunteers themselves.

                If you are a German citizen, please sign the petition and let's get our volunteers the recognition they deserve!

                ---

                Photo credit: Redazione Cultura. distributed under CC By SA license

                david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD This user is from outside of this forum
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                #24

                @kde

                It's hard for me to see what that should look like. If I work on a personal project with no other users, is that volunteer work? How is that different from working in my own front garden (is that volunteering in Germany)?

                If my employer releases my work as F/OSS, can they count my time as volunteering for any tax purposes? What about if it's a F/OSS component that is useful only in conjunction with some non-Free thing that they sell?

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                • kde@floss.socialK kde@floss.social

                  This petition wants contributing to Free Software to be legally and officially recognized as volunteering in Germany on the same level as youth work or ambulance service:

                  https://www.openpetition.de/petition/online/recognition-of-work-on-open-source-as-volunteering-in-germany#petition-main

                  This would bring fiscal and funding advantages for FLOSS organizations and the volunteers themselves.

                  If you are a German citizen, please sign the petition and let's get our volunteers the recognition they deserve!

                  ---

                  Photo credit: Redazione Cultura. distributed under CC By SA license

                  dickiegranthum@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #25

                  @kde ja!

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                  • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                    @kde

                    It's hard for me to see what that should look like. If I work on a personal project with no other users, is that volunteer work? How is that different from working in my own front garden (is that volunteering in Germany)?

                    If my employer releases my work as F/OSS, can they count my time as volunteering for any tax purposes? What about if it's a F/OSS component that is useful only in conjunction with some non-Free thing that they sell?

                    monospace@floss.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #26

                    @david_chisnall It's similar to charity work. There are definitions what counts as such, entry criteria and assessments. The goal, as I understand it, is to make FLOSS work first of all eligible to be classified as Volunteer Work.
                    @kde

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                    • monospace@floss.socialM monospace@floss.social

                      @david_chisnall It's similar to charity work. There are definitions what counts as such, entry criteria and assessments. The goal, as I understand it, is to make FLOSS work first of all eligible to be classified as Volunteer Work.
                      @kde

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                      #27

                      @monospace @kde

                      It's similar to charity work

                      So qualifying F/OSS projects will require a load of compliance work that doesn't make sense unless your turnover in donations is large?

                      I'm not familiar with what counts as volunteer work in general for tax / legal purposes in Germany.

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                      • david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

                        @monospace @kde

                        It's similar to charity work

                        So qualifying F/OSS projects will require a load of compliance work that doesn't make sense unless your turnover in donations is large?

                        I'm not familiar with what counts as volunteer work in general for tax / legal purposes in Germany.

                        monospace@floss.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #28

                        @david_chisnall I don't know the intricacies either, but I'm sure there will be some amount of red tape. No free lunch, but at least it would be an option.
                        @kde

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                        • kde@floss.socialK kde@floss.social

                          This petition wants contributing to Free Software to be legally and officially recognized as volunteering in Germany on the same level as youth work or ambulance service:

                          https://www.openpetition.de/petition/online/recognition-of-work-on-open-source-as-volunteering-in-germany#petition-main

                          This would bring fiscal and funding advantages for FLOSS organizations and the volunteers themselves.

                          If you are a German citizen, please sign the petition and let's get our volunteers the recognition they deserve!

                          ---

                          Photo credit: Redazione Cultura. distributed under CC By SA license

                          amberage@eldritch.cafeA This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #29

                          @kde and where's the petition that actually has a chance of achieving anything?

                          Where's the parliamentary e-petition?

                          Because petitions on whatever platforms are pointless. Petitions filed with the Bundestag petition committee actually force the parliament to discuss them if they pass the threshold.

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