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Could someone please explain to me whether Bluesky is decentralized?

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  • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

    Could someone please explain to me whether Bluesky is decentralized? Maybe send me some blogposts. Thanks!

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    #92

    @cwebber Did they buy a bunch of centralization offsets? Maybe there's a mesh network of raspberry pis planted in a rainforest somewhere?

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    • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

      Could someone please explain to me whether Bluesky is decentralized? Maybe send me some blogposts. Thanks!

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      @cwebber i found this diagram extremely intuitive, may be helpful to you as well!

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      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

        Could someone please explain to me whether Bluesky is decentralized? Maybe send me some blogposts. Thanks!

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        #94

        @cwebber IIRC it is decentralized but not as cool as to allow you to add your own instance.

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        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

          Could someone please explain to me whether Bluesky is decentralized? Maybe send me some blogposts. Thanks!

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          #95

          @cwebber You mean decent-ralized, like making them decent? I hear Bluesky is making use of AI moderation plus libertarian market incentives, so I'm sure they're much more decent than this place.

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          • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

            Could someone please explain to me whether Bluesky is decentralized? Maybe send me some blogposts. Thanks!

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            #96

            @cwebber OK, hear me out... maybe it's controlled by a single entity, but that entity could have some kind of "offering" to sell shares of the company to the "public". Like, anyone could buy one! Then, naturally, the VCs will celebrate by purchasing billions of slices of avocado toast and lattes, and that wealth will "trickle-down" to everyone else, who will then buy their own shares. I will take my nobel prize in economics now, thank you.

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            • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

              Could someone please explain to me whether Bluesky is decentralized? Maybe send me some blogposts. Thanks!

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              #97

              @cwebber

              Bluesky is decentralized because it keeps all the data in de center.

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              • megamichelle@a2mi.socialM megamichelle@a2mi.social

                @cwebber

                Bluesky is decentralized because it keeps all the data in de center.

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                #98

                @MegaMichelle blue is cold so it must help with datacenter cooling bills

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                • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                  Could someone please explain to me whether Bluesky is decentralized? Maybe send me some blogposts. Thanks!

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                  #99

                  @cwebber Oooh good question! Uhhh so basically Fediverse is based on the concept of a federation, which is a form of hegemonic imperialism and therefore not decentralised.

                  Whereas BlueSky runs in the cloud, which is a distributed computing system and thus decentralised.

                  Hope this helps! Feel free to ask me if you have any more questions.

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                  • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                    If you are also on Blue Sky, I am asking over there, feel free to help spread the word here or there https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:dyyvywontyeuaegemczcushz/post/3lmwkq433ec2x

                    We will get to the bottom of this

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                    @cwebber Hi Christine,

                    I did some digging through some back issues of CU Amiga, and I think I've figured out the answer!

                    It turns out, this BlueSky thing is indeed part of a decentralised network, and it's called the Internet!

                    Now, I know what you're thinking: What is this internet thing, and how is it different to the BBSes that I've been dialling into, using my home microcomputer?

                    Well, it turns out that the files on your local computer user group's BBS are typically all stored on the one computer.

                    But the internet is like a worldwide network of BBSes!

                    People are calling it an information superhighway!

                    You can start "surfing" from one BBS to another.

                    You can be in Canada and connect over the Internet to a BBS in Germany!

                    Is your mind blown yet?

                    It's compatible with all the popular microcomputers, including IBM Compatibles, Apple Macintosh, Commodore Amiga, Acorn Archimedes, and Atari ST.

                    Beyond viewing overseas BBSes, there's a range of fun things you can find on the web, including newsgroups, gophers, MUDs, MOOs, and electronic mail!

                    And now... BlueSky!

                    Some people say the internet won't catch on. But I saw it running on one of the Solaris workstations at a local university, and I have to say it looked pretty spiffy!

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                      @cwebber Hi Christine,

                      I did some digging through some back issues of CU Amiga, and I think I've figured out the answer!

                      It turns out, this BlueSky thing is indeed part of a decentralised network, and it's called the Internet!

                      Now, I know what you're thinking: What is this internet thing, and how is it different to the BBSes that I've been dialling into, using my home microcomputer?

                      Well, it turns out that the files on your local computer user group's BBS are typically all stored on the one computer.

                      But the internet is like a worldwide network of BBSes!

                      People are calling it an information superhighway!

                      You can start "surfing" from one BBS to another.

                      You can be in Canada and connect over the Internet to a BBS in Germany!

                      Is your mind blown yet?

                      It's compatible with all the popular microcomputers, including IBM Compatibles, Apple Macintosh, Commodore Amiga, Acorn Archimedes, and Atari ST.

                      Beyond viewing overseas BBSes, there's a range of fun things you can find on the web, including newsgroups, gophers, MUDs, MOOs, and electronic mail!

                      And now... BlueSky!

                      Some people say the internet won't catch on. But I saw it running on one of the Solaris workstations at a local university, and I have to say it looked pretty spiffy!

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                      #101

                      @aj this is a good answer

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                      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                        Could someone please explain to me whether Bluesky is decentralized? Maybe send me some blogposts. Thanks!

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                        @cwebber@social.coop I don't know if anyone's researched that question yet. You could be a pioneer if you investigate it!

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                        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                          Could someone please explain to me whether Bluesky is decentralized? Maybe send me some blogposts. Thanks!

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                          #103

                          @cwebber Not sure if this is one of those “humor” things humans sometimes do, but you don’t need blogposts to answer that question. The answer is a simple “no”.

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                          • phillycodehound@indieweb.socialP phillycodehound@indieweb.social

                            @cwebber it isn’t as far as I know. Though Bluesky plans on be decentralized as far as I know.

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                            #104

                            @cwebber https://sethgoldstein.me/in-my-opinion-bluesky-will-never-federate-and-thats-concerning/

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                            • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                              Could someone please explain to me whether Bluesky is decentralized? Maybe send me some blogposts. Thanks!

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                              #105

                              @cwebber
                              @niccolove 's blogpost:
                              https://thelibre.news/why-i-recommend-against-bluesky/

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                              • janbeta@chaos.socialJ janbeta@chaos.social

                                @cwebber Many of its users are in different places, thus totally decentralized!

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                                @janbeta @cwebber this is completely wrong. Decentralization means mostly that the servers that contains and redirect the data of the social are phisically situated in different places. Where users are is not significant at all. Bluesky IS NOT DECENTRALIZED.
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                                • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                  Could someone please explain to me whether Bluesky is decentralized? Maybe send me some blogposts. Thanks!

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                                  @cwebber bluesky IS NOT DECENTRALIZED. And it would cost a fortune to make it so.
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                                  • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                    If you are also on Blue Sky, I am asking over there, feel free to help spread the word here or there https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:dyyvywontyeuaegemczcushz/post/3lmwkq433ec2x

                                    We will get to the bottom of this

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                                    #108

                                    @cwebber

                                    I liked this answer that you received on Bluesky, which I'm duplicating in Mastodon so people don't need to go to Bluesky to find it:

                                    https://phillipjreese.com/the-social-network-that-cant-sell-out-understanding-mastodon-vs-bluesky/

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                                    • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                      Could someone please explain to me whether Bluesky is decentralized? Maybe send me some blogposts. Thanks!

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                                      @cwebber

                                      this post may help:
                                      How Does BlueSky Work?, by @steveklabnik.com

                                      https://steveklabnik.com/writing/how-does-bluesky-work/

                                      > One of the reasons I am enthusiastic about BlueSky is because of the way that it works. So in this post, I am going to lay out some of the design and the principles behind this design, as I understand them. I am not on the BlueSky team, so these are my takes only.

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                                      • mister_shade02x2@mastodon.socialM mister_shade02x2@mastodon.social

                                        @cwebber Not sure if this is one of those “humor” things humans sometimes do, but you don’t need blogposts to answer that question. The answer is a simple “no”.

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                                        #110

                                        @mister_shade02X2 thanks I don't know what a humor is either so this helps

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                                        • phillycodehound@indieweb.socialP phillycodehound@indieweb.social

                                          @cwebber https://sethgoldstein.me/in-my-opinion-bluesky-will-never-federate-and-thats-concerning/

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                                          #111

                                          @phillycodehound a real blogpost thank you

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