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Could someone please explain to me whether Bluesky is decentralized?

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  • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

    Could someone please explain to me whether Bluesky is decentralized? Maybe send me some blogposts. Thanks!

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    #75

    @cwebber Please!Do your own research to find the blogposts you wrote! 😛

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    • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

      Could someone please explain to me whether Bluesky is decentralized? Maybe send me some blogposts. Thanks!

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      #76

      @cwebber it's "semi" bridged to the Fediverse, but it's opt-in I believe, you have to follow the bridge to enable it.

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      • rcriii@hostux.socialR rcriii@hostux.social

        @cwebber not so much de- as re-centralized. you see bluesky started when a bunch of people were on a plane going to a blues fest and texting each other. Later they decided to create a place to share their wit and bon mots with the world.

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        #77

        @rcriii @cwebber

        BlueSky so beyond The Cloud

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        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

          Could someone please explain to me whether Bluesky is decentralized? Maybe send me some blogposts. Thanks!

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          #78

          @cwebber I don’t know what “decentralized” means, but I keep hearing about how much fun* bluesky is.

          *Fun is limited to those in the good grace of the Turkish government and may be revoked at any time.

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          • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

            Could someone please explain to me whether Bluesky is decentralized? Maybe send me some blogposts. Thanks!

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            #79

            @cwebber Being decentralized and have the capability of being decentralized are very different things. Bluesky has the capability of being decentralized. It also works a little bit differently than Mastodon. You see the same feed no matter what instance you use with Bluesky.

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              @cwebber@social.coop It's not decentralized because you can not host your own independent server using the Bluesky "AT Protocol".

              I have no sources because it is impossible to prove something that doesn't exists.

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              #80

              @SuperDicq ok thanks, it's too bad there can't be a source though, I thought it was open source

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              • per_sonne@ciberlandia.ptP per_sonne@ciberlandia.pt

                @cwebber

                It's "decentralized" but only has one, very central, instance.

                So...it's like claiming you have a multicoloured pencil box, but with only one blue pencil inside, no other pencils available and no plans to provide them.

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                #81

                @per_sonne is crayola decentralized though

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                • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                  Could someone please explain to me whether Bluesky is decentralized? Maybe send me some blogposts. Thanks!

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                  #82

                  @cwebber it doesn't use activitypub so it isn't decentralized. this is because activitypub is clearly the only decentralized social networking protocol that has been fully and completely adopted by several applications like mastodon, and billionaires cannot run mastodon unlike bluesky's expensive "relays" that the fediverse doesn't have

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                  • eblu@wetdry.worldE eblu@wetdry.world

                    @cwebber it doesn't use activitypub so it isn't decentralized. this is because activitypub is clearly the only decentralized social networking protocol that has been fully and completely adopted by several applications like mastodon, and billionaires cannot run mastodon unlike bluesky's expensive "relays" that the fediverse doesn't have

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                    #83

                    @eblu billionaire-proof

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                    • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                      Could someone please explain to me whether Bluesky is decentralized? Maybe send me some blogposts. Thanks!

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                      #84

                      @cwebber It's a quantum thing. It's decentralized, until you observe it closely. Then it isn't.

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                      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                        Could someone please explain to me whether Bluesky is decentralized? Maybe send me some blogposts. Thanks!

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                        #85

                        @cwebber somewhat, but if bluesky the company goes down the network collapses

                        you can store your own data on your server

                        but bluesky owns:
                        - the main appview
                        - the main moderation service (which is hardcoded into their appview and can just disappear your account from everyone else)
                        - the main relay (AFAIK there are no real alternatives, they can also ban you on this level if you run your own data server)
                        - the service storing information about user IDs (DID:PLC, IIUC if this ever goes down most accounts are immediately gone)

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                          @cwebber somewhat, but if bluesky the company goes down the network collapses

                          you can store your own data on your server

                          but bluesky owns:
                          - the main appview
                          - the main moderation service (which is hardcoded into their appview and can just disappear your account from everyone else)
                          - the main relay (AFAIK there are no real alternatives, they can also ban you on this level if you run your own data server)
                          - the service storing information about user IDs (DID:PLC, IIUC if this ever goes down most accounts are immediately gone)

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                          @cwebber this is very different from Fedi, here if mastodon.social suddenly disappeared, the rest of the network would go on as normal

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                            @cwebber this is very different from Fedi, here if mastodon.social suddenly disappeared, the rest of the network would go on as normal

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                            @cwebber also running your own data server is a clusterfuck.

                            but I still did it

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                              @cwebber also running your own data server is a clusterfuck.

                              but I still did it

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                              @cwebber I just realized you wrote ActivityPub

                              I'm too autistic for this shit
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                                @cwebber also running your own data server is a clusterfuck.

                                but I still did it

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                                @lunareclipse In all seriousness I am glad when people have actually tried to run the infrastructure

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                                  @cwebber I just realized you wrote ActivityPub

                                  I'm too autistic for this shit
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                                  @lunareclipse @cwebber I just wanted to chime in to say that at the very least it was an informative answer. 👍

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                                  • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                    Could someone please explain to me whether Bluesky is decentralized? Maybe send me some blogposts. Thanks!

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                                    #91

                                    @cwebber from what I read it can be decentralised, in the sense that if you really try hard, you'd be able to host your own instance, but it will never be peer-to-peer, so the traffic will always go through the bluesky central hub.

                                    I am not really a technical guy so I might misunderstood it, so I am looking forward to read the replies too.

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                                    • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                      Could someone please explain to me whether Bluesky is decentralized? Maybe send me some blogposts. Thanks!

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                                      @cwebber Did they buy a bunch of centralization offsets? Maybe there's a mesh network of raspberry pis planted in a rainforest somewhere?

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                                      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                        Could someone please explain to me whether Bluesky is decentralized? Maybe send me some blogposts. Thanks!

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                                        @cwebber i found this diagram extremely intuitive, may be helpful to you as well!

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                                        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                          Could someone please explain to me whether Bluesky is decentralized? Maybe send me some blogposts. Thanks!

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                                          @cwebber IIRC it is decentralized but not as cool as to allow you to add your own instance.

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