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Do Not Talk To Me About "AI"

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  • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

    Do Not Talk To Me About "AI"

    I had some cards printed up.

    These are unlikely to change any minds, but they will defintely shorten some incredibly tedious conversations at the bar.

    Here's a PDF if you'd like some of your own.
    https://jwz.org/b/yk-o

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    #87

    @jwz You are awesome. Thank you.

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    • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

      Do Not Talk To Me About "AI"

      I had some cards printed up.

      These are unlikely to change any minds, but they will defintely shorten some incredibly tedious conversations at the bar.

      Here's a PDF if you'd like some of your own.
      https://jwz.org/b/yk-o

      orange_lux@eldritch.cafeO This user is from outside of this forum
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      #88

      @jwz May I suggest an alt ? Adding it to the image would make it accessible to everyone.

      Two stacks of red cards with white writing.
      On the front : Do not talk to me about "AI"
      In a smaller font : you make me long for the sweet embrace of death.

      On the back :
      By using AI, you have given a pass to :

      • The staggering climate and ecological impact
      • The outright attack on labor by capital
      • The systemic disregard of consent
      • The basis in wholesale theft and plagiarism
      • The assault on the very concept of objective truth
      • The enrichment of the most cringe billionaire fascist motherfuckers the world has ever seen

      There is no ethical use of AI
      If you ignore all of that, you are trying to negotiate what level of harm to others you find acceptable for your personal, selfish benefit. You advance the agenda of these hollow-eyed, joyless money-ghouls who resent art, creativity, and life itself.
      The machine is disgusting and must be destroyed.

      Edit as this prick blocked me because this snowflake was offended I tried to help : this was the work of my brain and fingers : no AI nor OCR were used to write this text.

      #alt4You

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      • stsz@mastodon.socialS stsz@mastodon.social

        @jwz
        But...why not talk about?

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        #89

        @stsz @jwz Have you been in hypersleep for 57 years?

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        • mhkohne@mastodon.socialM mhkohne@mastodon.social

          @curltoes @jwz I think you are woefully under familiar with jwz, and also, 'they already did the theft makes it ok' is a hell of a take.

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          #90

          @mhkohne @jwz you don't get my point though. there is harm reduction in using the models as an individuals because the models exist and its either just companies using them or giving more power to the people too. then if you are a purist like yourself, suppose a law gets passed, which law can remove all gguf files from everyones computers? are you sure that bad actors cant hold onto weights regardless? cant good people use ai ethically?

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          • ag7gm@mastodon.radioA ag7gm@mastodon.radio

            @jwz I agree with the sentiments on these and would hand them out *if* they didn't have the word mother****er" on them.

            I do not use speech like that. I believe that using a cuss shows a lack of vocabulary. By saying that I am not passing any judgement over anyone else. It is my personal feelings for myself and nobody else.

            If you change them, I'd be happy to print some out.

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            #91

            @AG7GM @jwz No, *never* saying 'fuck' demonstrates a lack of vocabulary. It demonstrates that one's vocabulary lacks the word 'fuck', one of the most versatile words in the English language.

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            • orange_lux@eldritch.cafeO orange_lux@eldritch.cafe

              @jwz May I suggest an alt ? Adding it to the image would make it accessible to everyone.

              Two stacks of red cards with white writing.
              On the front : Do not talk to me about "AI"
              In a smaller font : you make me long for the sweet embrace of death.

              On the back :
              By using AI, you have given a pass to :

              • The staggering climate and ecological impact
              • The outright attack on labor by capital
              • The systemic disregard of consent
              • The basis in wholesale theft and plagiarism
              • The assault on the very concept of objective truth
              • The enrichment of the most cringe billionaire fascist motherfuckers the world has ever seen

              There is no ethical use of AI
              If you ignore all of that, you are trying to negotiate what level of harm to others you find acceptable for your personal, selfish benefit. You advance the agenda of these hollow-eyed, joyless money-ghouls who resent art, creativity, and life itself.
              The machine is disgusting and must be destroyed.

              Edit as this prick blocked me because this snowflake was offended I tried to help : this was the work of my brain and fingers : no AI nor OCR were used to write this text.

              #alt4You

              jwz@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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              #92

              @orange_lux You may not. *plonk*

              pandora@eldritch.cafeP kincat@eldritch.cafeK sknob@mamot.frS captain_niglo@eldritch.cafeC 4 Replies Last reply
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              • sdrhoernchen@chaos.socialS sdrhoernchen@chaos.social

                @curltoes I suspect quite a few people are overwhelmed by the whole topic which spans geopolitical questions, like superpowers pursuing nuclear weapons once did, to smaller scale but not less important question, like how am I going to earn any money if "AI takes over", so they just decide to hide behind their hands (or flashy cards) like a child. The one sure way not to shape any kind of policy...

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                #93

                @SDRHoernchen yeah, i understand there are lots of emotions in this which is why everyone disagrees with me, or linus torvalds, etc.

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                • kentenmakto@mastodon.ieK kentenmakto@mastodon.ie

                  @AG7GM @jwz No, *never* saying 'fuck' demonstrates a lack of vocabulary. It demonstrates that one's vocabulary lacks the word 'fuck', one of the most versatile words in the English language.

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                  #94

                  @kentenmakto @jwz Patrick, a screwdriver can also be an icepick, a hammer, a prybar, a wedge.

                  Does that mean you only need a screwdriver in your toolbox? 'Cause if that's all you have, you're not clever, you're lazy.

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                  • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                    @orange_lux You may not. *plonk*

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                    #95

                    @jwz so, if you don't like AI and you don't like people, what the heck do you like? @orange_lux

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                    • ag7gm@mastodon.radioA ag7gm@mastodon.radio

                      @kentenmakto @jwz Patrick, a screwdriver can also be an icepick, a hammer, a prybar, a wedge.

                      Does that mean you only need a screwdriver in your toolbox? 'Cause if that's all you have, you're not clever, you're lazy.

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                      kentenmakto@mastodon.ie
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                      #96

                      @AG7GM *plonk*

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                      • curltoes@mastodon.socialC curltoes@mastodon.social

                        @jwz i don't understand what your problem is with it i wasnt hostile towards you and you are just being mean for no reason

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                        #97

                        @curltoes i don't see what's so surprising to you. he posted cards he created that literally say not to talk to him about it, then posted about those cards, and you insist on sliding into his replies to demand a conversation. now you're saying he's being mean for no reason? the reason is clear as anybody could ask for. leave him alone about it

                        if you honestly were confident with it being okay for you to use local models you wouldn't insist on arguing with people about it for validation or whatever motivates you to disregard basic boundary setting

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                        • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                          Do Not Talk To Me About "AI"

                          I had some cards printed up.

                          These are unlikely to change any minds, but they will defintely shorten some incredibly tedious conversations at the bar.

                          Here's a PDF if you'd like some of your own.
                          https://jwz.org/b/yk-o

                          rrb@infosec.exchangeR This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #98

                          @jwz I call it "Machine Jesus"

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                          • pandora@eldritch.cafeP pandora@eldritch.cafe

                            @jwz so, if you don't like AI and you don't like people, what the heck do you like? @orange_lux

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                            wolfesuccinctly@sfba.social
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                            #99

                            @Pandora @orange_lux

                            Maybe the card should just read "Do not talk to me" and end it there

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                            • xyhhx@social.treehouse.systemsX xyhhx@social.treehouse.systems

                              @curltoes i don't see what's so surprising to you. he posted cards he created that literally say not to talk to him about it, then posted about those cards, and you insist on sliding into his replies to demand a conversation. now you're saying he's being mean for no reason? the reason is clear as anybody could ask for. leave him alone about it

                              if you honestly were confident with it being okay for you to use local models you wouldn't insist on arguing with people about it for validation or whatever motivates you to disregard basic boundary setting

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                              #100

                              @xyhhx the cards had reason on them as to why ai is bad and i added nuance to it. why am i not allowed to reply to a post? i would assume people can find middle ground instead of pivoting to extremes. if he is an anti ai extremist, i didnt notice at first, thought its some joke card, thats how bad it was.
                              no matter, he blocked me so who cares anyway?

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                              • curltoes@mastodon.socialC curltoes@mastodon.social

                                @xyhhx the cards had reason on them as to why ai is bad and i added nuance to it. why am i not allowed to reply to a post? i would assume people can find middle ground instead of pivoting to extremes. if he is an anti ai extremist, i didnt notice at first, thought its some joke card, thats how bad it was.
                                no matter, he blocked me so who cares anyway?

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                                #101

                                @curltoes he isn't an extremist by any means; and generally speaking it's a pretty entitled way to look at the world to assume you should be able to chime in for such posts

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                                • xyhhx@social.treehouse.systemsX xyhhx@social.treehouse.systems

                                  @curltoes he isn't an extremist by any means; and generally speaking it's a pretty entitled way to look at the world to assume you should be able to chime in for such posts

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                                  #102

                                  @xyhhx why assume things about me too? and i said extremist because on one hand there are people who embrace ai (extreme) and people who are anti ai no matter the nuance (extreme). im in the middle.

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                                  • curltoes@mastodon.socialC curltoes@mastodon.social

                                    @xyhhx why assume things about me too? and i said extremist because on one hand there are people who embrace ai (extreme) and people who are anti ai no matter the nuance (extreme). im in the middle.

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                                    #103

                                    @curltoes i made no assumptions, im commenting on your own statement...

                                    anyway, i think i overestimated where this conversation was headed. i probably should've just followed op's lead, and ignored or blocked you

                                    (what you describe is neither the extreme viewpoints on the topic; nor are they examples of extremism; nor does it seem anything you're saying is a thoughtful or good faith argument)

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                                    • xyhhx@social.treehouse.systemsX xyhhx@social.treehouse.systems

                                      @curltoes i made no assumptions, im commenting on your own statement...

                                      anyway, i think i overestimated where this conversation was headed. i probably should've just followed op's lead, and ignored or blocked you

                                      (what you describe is neither the extreme viewpoints on the topic; nor are they examples of extremism; nor does it seem anything you're saying is a thoughtful or good faith argument)

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                                      #104

                                      @xyhhx im sorry ill concede i dont know enough about the topic and forgive me for typing before learning more

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                                      • ag7gm@mastodon.radioA ag7gm@mastodon.radio

                                        @jwz I agree with the sentiments on these and would hand them out *if* they didn't have the word mother****er" on them.

                                        I do not use speech like that. I believe that using a cuss shows a lack of vocabulary. By saying that I am not passing any judgement over anyone else. It is my personal feelings for myself and nobody else.

                                        If you change them, I'd be happy to print some out.

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                                        #105

                                        @AG7GM @jwz Well aren't you a special little boy.

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                                        • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                                          Do Not Talk To Me About "AI"

                                          I had some cards printed up.

                                          These are unlikely to change any minds, but they will defintely shorten some incredibly tedious conversations at the bar.

                                          Here's a PDF if you'd like some of your own.
                                          https://jwz.org/b/yk-o

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                                          #106

                                          @jwz the irony considering this is the app that seeming talks about ai the most in my experience to tell to to tell people not to talk to me about ai

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