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#Substack is hosting, monetising and promoting Nazi blogs (https://mastodon.social/@taylorlorenz/114939115888742842).

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  • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

    @anarchiv

    You are paying for the hosting, not the software. Paying for hosting is a good idea, because it provides a sustainable way of keeping a service going.

    "Free open source software" means you are free to self-host it, free to modify it, free to distribute it etc. You don't have to use ghost.org to use Ghost.

    FOSS doesn't mean you get free hosting, because someone somewhere has to pay for the servers, electricity etc.

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    #8

    @FediTips I see your point, I still think it's a misleading claim to make.

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    • anarchiv@todon.nlA anarchiv@todon.nl

      @FediTips I see your point, I still think it's a misleading claim to make.

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      #9

      @anarchiv

      The software is free in every sense of the word. I'm not claiming that you can get free hosting, because such a thing doesn't really exist (there's always some way you are paying for it).

      If someone said "here's a free knitting pattern", that doesn't mean you're going to get free wool to knit it with.

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      • infoseepage@mastodon.socialI infoseepage@mastodon.social

        @FediTips The one that Substack "apologized" for promoting and then didn't take down is exactly this ilk, with swastikas in their profile and rants about Jews all over their content. That substack has been active for six months and checking out earlier snapshots of it on Internet Archive, it's clear the content has been the same throughout. These particular Nazis have been on Substack for six months without Substack doing anything about them other then promote their content to users.

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        #10

        @Infoseepage

        It is astonishing. Substack are awful people who seem to have no morals.

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        • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

          @anarchiv

          The software is free in every sense of the word. I'm not claiming that you can get free hosting, because such a thing doesn't really exist (there's always some way you are paying for it).

          If someone said "here's a free knitting pattern", that doesn't mean you're going to get free wool to knit it with.

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          #11

          @FediTips The software is free but it's not free to use and you don't get to self-host.

          I think we'll just have to agree to disagree here.

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          • anarchiv@todon.nlA anarchiv@todon.nl

            @FediTips The software is free but it's not free to use and you don't get to self-host.

            I think we'll just have to agree to disagree here.

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            #12

            @anarchiv

            You DO get to self-host, it's available for people to host themselves or have an indie hosting company host for them.

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            • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

              #Substack is hosting, monetising and promoting Nazi blogs (https://mastodon.social/@taylorlorenz/114939115888742842). Substack's CEO admitted this back in 2023 (https://techcrunch.com/2024/01/09/substack-nazi-content-policies-controversy/).

              If you are still using Substack, it is time to leave.

              You might want to try #Ghost, a free open source self-hostable alternative to Substack (more info: https://ghost.org/vs/substack/). If you don't self-host, you can sign up at https://ghost.org

              Ghost has Fediverse support in testing, Ghost users can sign up at https://activitypub.ghost.org

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              #13

              @FediTips As a user, I understand, but how do I convey this to authors who write their own articles and are unlikely to lose a large proportion of paid subscribers?

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              • distante@mastodon.socialD distante@mastodon.social

                @FediTips As a user, I understand, but how do I convey this to authors who write their own articles and are unlikely to lose a large proportion of paid subscribers?

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                #14

                @Distante

                I would send them the link to the Nazi problem article, another link to the CEO saying they won't even demonetise Nazis article and a third link to Ghost's substack comparison as an alternative. (Links are all in original post.)

                Even if they feel compelled to be on Substack, at the very least it should encourage them to offer alternatives for those who don't feel comfortable with Substack?

                And even if they do nothing now, if someone else later says the same thing too, they may act.

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                • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                  #Substack is hosting, monetising and promoting Nazi blogs (https://mastodon.social/@taylorlorenz/114939115888742842). Substack's CEO admitted this back in 2023 (https://techcrunch.com/2024/01/09/substack-nazi-content-policies-controversy/).

                  If you are still using Substack, it is time to leave.

                  You might want to try #Ghost, a free open source self-hostable alternative to Substack (more info: https://ghost.org/vs/substack/). If you don't self-host, you can sign up at https://ghost.org

                  Ghost has Fediverse support in testing, Ghost users can sign up at https://activitypub.ghost.org

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                  #15

                  @FediTips sadly Substack is still the only real option for non-monitised blogs (oh, and Ghost has just put their base price up, significantly).

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                  • tallpaul@mastodon.scotT tallpaul@mastodon.scot

                    @FediTips sadly Substack is still the only real option for non-monitised blogs (oh, and Ghost has just put their base price up, significantly).

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                    #16

                    @tallpaul

                    I'm not sure how you see it as the only option? There are many, many blogging platforms out there, especially if you're not monetised anyway.

                    About the base price, that's only if you're using Ghost's own hosting. You can host it yourself or have an indie hosting company host it. The software is free open source so it can be offered by any hosting company.

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                    • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                      #Substack is hosting, monetising and promoting Nazi blogs (https://mastodon.social/@taylorlorenz/114939115888742842). Substack's CEO admitted this back in 2023 (https://techcrunch.com/2024/01/09/substack-nazi-content-policies-controversy/).

                      If you are still using Substack, it is time to leave.

                      You might want to try #Ghost, a free open source self-hostable alternative to Substack (more info: https://ghost.org/vs/substack/). If you don't self-host, you can sign up at https://ghost.org

                      Ghost has Fediverse support in testing, Ghost users can sign up at https://activitypub.ghost.org

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                      #17

                      @FediTips

                      Substack didn't really stick a lot to me, aside from just following an Animation magazine and few board games substacks that looked pretty good and tried once to open one to narrate my solo board game sessions but didn't work out.

                      Ii'm deeply uncomfortable about Substack's open support to Nazism! Ridiculous! I want to keep following that one tabletop substack journal but i don't think it'd be easy to follow outside Substack since after all they're Substack exclusive profiles...

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                      • alef2050@livellosegreto.itA alef2050@livellosegreto.it

                        @FediTips

                        Substack didn't really stick a lot to me, aside from just following an Animation magazine and few board games substacks that looked pretty good and tried once to open one to narrate my solo board game sessions but didn't work out.

                        Ii'm deeply uncomfortable about Substack's open support to Nazism! Ridiculous! I want to keep following that one tabletop substack journal but i don't think it'd be easy to follow outside Substack since after all they're Substack exclusive profiles...

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                        #18

                        @FediTips I might consider trying Ghost.org to open up some blog of mine in the future, although! I want to share something about my hobbies, but is it free?

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                        • alef2050@livellosegreto.itA alef2050@livellosegreto.it

                          @FediTips I might consider trying Ghost.org to open up some blog of mine in the future, although! I want to share something about my hobbies, but is it free?

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                          @AleF2050

                          The software that runs the blog is free, but you need a hosting company to host it.

                          Ghost offers its own hosting service (which costs money) and there are also independent hosting providers (which also cost money).

                          All blogs cost money to host, so if a blog service is "free" then it is probably going to be doing something bad either now or in the future.

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