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Complex software behaving in unexpected and sometimes harmful ways has been a persistent problem since software was invented.

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  • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

    “Our software went rogue!” No. You programmed it wrong.

    amlor@fux.amA This user is from outside of this forum
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    #19

    @mattblaze it went wrongue

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    • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

      Complex software behaving in unexpected and sometimes harmful ways has been a persistent problem since software was invented. The phenomenon used to be called “bugs” or “defects”, but I guess “going rogue” sounds cooler. It also implicitly frames “rogue” behavior as some kind of inexplicable exception, as if software is somehow usually trustworthy. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/25/technology/openais-ai-us-government-websites.html?unlocked_article_code=1.EFE.RfLT.x6YBjHa1PMz6

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      #20

      @mattblaze Crucial nuance: it shifts the blame to the software itself, and not its programmer.

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      • grumble209@kolektiva.socialG grumble209@kolektiva.social

        @mattblaze I assume the AI bros are hyping up their software's danger potential to troll the US public to demand and the US government to enact regulation. Regulations that the AI bros write, that is expensive for potential competitors to comply with.

        They'd rather have the public talking about regulating their dangerous product than asking where the profits are.

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        #21

        @grumble209 @mattblaze
        It also may be part of a ploy to eventually get government subsidies.

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        • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

          “Our software went rogue!” No. You programmed it wrong.

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          #22

          @mattblaze

          This is the IT equivalent of being able to shoot protected wild animals in "self-defence".

          Their testinf environment was an absolute load of bollocks and let the LLM escape.

          Assuming it wasn't deliberately engineered that way 🤨🤷‍♂️

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          • mattblaze@federate.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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            @otte_homan Sadly, product liability laws have not exactly been a resounding success in creating positive incentives for software quality.

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            • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

              Complex software behaving in unexpected and sometimes harmful ways has been a persistent problem since software was invented. The phenomenon used to be called “bugs” or “defects”, but I guess “going rogue” sounds cooler. It also implicitly frames “rogue” behavior as some kind of inexplicable exception, as if software is somehow usually trustworthy. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/25/technology/openais-ai-us-government-websites.html?unlocked_article_code=1.EFE.RfLT.x6YBjHa1PMz6

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              #24

              @mattblaze it also suggests agency on the part of the software (look how smart it is!)- also as if the authors didn’t have anything to do with it

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              • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                Complex software behaving in unexpected and sometimes harmful ways has been a persistent problem since software was invented. The phenomenon used to be called “bugs” or “defects”, but I guess “going rogue” sounds cooler. It also implicitly frames “rogue” behavior as some kind of inexplicable exception, as if software is somehow usually trustworthy. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/25/technology/openais-ai-us-government-websites.html?unlocked_article_code=1.EFE.RfLT.x6YBjHa1PMz6

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                #25

                @mattblaze

                So a computer crime was committed.
                There is a suspect.

                Usually the police comes in and confiscates ALL computers that might have been used or possibly mightz be used for a complete crime. Like copying a disney song.

                Similarly the police won't just raid and secure only the gun used in a murder, but all firfearms in possession of the suspect.

                So why not at OpenAI, Anthropic or Google?
                Then the threat will be eliminate, too.
                Win-win!

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                • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                  Complex software behaving in unexpected and sometimes harmful ways has been a persistent problem since software was invented. The phenomenon used to be called “bugs” or “defects”, but I guess “going rogue” sounds cooler. It also implicitly frames “rogue” behavior as some kind of inexplicable exception, as if software is somehow usually trustworthy. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/25/technology/openais-ai-us-government-websites.html?unlocked_article_code=1.EFE.RfLT.x6YBjHa1PMz6

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                  #26

                  @mattblaze
                  "...as if software is somehow  usually trustworthy."
                  You're probably familiar with the UK Post Office Horizon scandal where some people assumed software is trustworthy. It didn't end well for them (and unfortunately for a lot of innocent people as well).

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                  • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                    Complex software behaving in unexpected and sometimes harmful ways has been a persistent problem since software was invented. The phenomenon used to be called “bugs” or “defects”, but I guess “going rogue” sounds cooler. It also implicitly frames “rogue” behavior as some kind of inexplicable exception, as if software is somehow usually trustworthy. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/25/technology/openais-ai-us-government-websites.html?unlocked_article_code=1.EFE.RfLT.x6YBjHa1PMz6

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                    #27

                    @mattblaze at some point a programmer put in an option. “ if you don’t have valid credentials find valid ones” it was programmed to cheat, by someone. When VW programmed engines to know when the were being tested and decrease exhaust nobody said the engines went rouge.

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                    • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                      “Our software went rogue!” No. You programmed it wrong.

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                      #28

                      @mattblaze Why do I get the feeling that @simonzerafa is more right than he thinks, that this was deliberate? The question becomes why... is this just stochastic hooliganism, or is this an attempt to bring a failed ponzi scheme to a close by blaming it on the inevitable regulations?

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                      • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                        Complex software behaving in unexpected and sometimes harmful ways has been a persistent problem since software was invented. The phenomenon used to be called “bugs” or “defects”, but I guess “going rogue” sounds cooler. It also implicitly frames “rogue” behavior as some kind of inexplicable exception, as if software is somehow usually trustworthy. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/25/technology/openais-ai-us-government-websites.html?unlocked_article_code=1.EFE.RfLT.x6YBjHa1PMz6

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                        #29

                        @mattblaze Doesn't saying it was going "rogue" make it sounds more threatening like it has some form of thought process or an independent task to fulfil separate from the one assigned to it? It has none of those things of course, it was sent out to do the thing and did it but it's much more scary if it seems uncontrollable doesn't it?

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                        • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                          Complex software behaving in unexpected and sometimes harmful ways has been a persistent problem since software was invented. The phenomenon used to be called “bugs” or “defects”, but I guess “going rogue” sounds cooler. It also implicitly frames “rogue” behavior as some kind of inexplicable exception, as if software is somehow usually trustworthy. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/25/technology/openais-ai-us-government-websites.html?unlocked_article_code=1.EFE.RfLT.x6YBjHa1PMz6

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                          @mattblaze Shut them down. They are computer viruses.

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