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  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

    RE: https://infosec.exchange/@lcamtuf/116785283147249092

    We. Are. Doomed.

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    #30

    @cstross

    #alttext

    Four images:
    One - AGES 6-13
    THE BIG BOOK FOR CURIOUS KIDS
    WHYS
    100,000 Whys for Kids: A Full-Color Visual Encyclopedia of Big Questions, Clear Answers, Science Space, Animals, Nature, History, Inventions, and How the World Works for Ages 6-13
    by Elliott Wonder (Author)
    Format: Paperback
    #1 Best Seller
    Two - The Earth with the Arctic facing the camera.
    Spin direction (counterclockwise)
    Sun (below the south pole)
    N (in the Atlantic ocean)
    Arctic Circle
    East (on the left )
    (sunrise)
    West (on the right)
    (sunset)
    Three - A cat falling and righting itself. The labels are:
    Flexible spine. (pointing to the head)
    Front half. (pointing to the head)
    Back half. (pointing to the front feet)
    Four - An owl's head with a cutaway left eye and labels:
    Big eye. (pointing to right eye)
    Tube shape. (pointing to elongated left eye)
    Skull. (pointing to cutaway bone)
    Forward gaze. (pointing to severely crossed left eye)

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    • jdebp@mastodonapp.ukJ jdebp@mastodonapp.uk

      @HollieK72

      If you do a quick search, you'll find that there are a couple of hundred '100000 Whys' books on Amazon U.K. and over twice that many on Amazon U.S.A.; all under different authors. Most of the authors are as fake as the books.

      @draNgNon found another, and its customer reviews have people reporting that the book sample has a different author to the Amazon listing, & what they actually received was a B&W photocopy of a book.

      One bizarre factoid that I have noticed is that they all seem to try to answer the question of why space is dark. I've nowhere near read them all, but I've seen several that all give the same wrong answer that there is no atmosphere in space. I have seen exactly *one* of these titles that comes anywhere near the right answer to Olbers' Paradox, although still missing the mark, published by a Wunder Press.

      https://amazon.co.uk/100-000-Whys-Questions-Amazing/dp/B0H2L5BJD1/

      I chuckled when I read its answer to 'why does the Moon change the shape' on page 3 (q.v.).

      @cstross @lcamtuf
      #astronomy

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      #31

      @HollieK72 @draNgNon

      Holy Whys Books, Batman!

      I've just found one of them that mentions Olbers' Paradox and actually has the explanation pretty much right for primary school level.

      https://amazon.co.uk/BIG-BOOK-100-000-WHYS/dp/B0H2GM3WMJ/

      I do not believe that 'Prof. Alex Morgan' is real, though. One of xyr other publications listed seems to be just a riff on the old CIA World Factbook, for starters.

      @cstross @lcamtuf
      #astronomy #OlbersParadox

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      • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

        RE: https://infosec.exchange/@lcamtuf/116785283147249092

        We. Are. Doomed.

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        #32

        @cstross as a child way back in the 80s I used to love the books of facts that were published for children back then.
        Watching this mindless AI slop be forced on Kids, another part of their childhood's ruined by Late Stage Capitalism, not even the simple joy of Knowledge is allowed us....

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        • megalodonnelly@mastodon.socialM megalodonnelly@mastodon.social

          @drgoon @cstross what in the world. Why are there 100,000 versions of this book for different demographics by different "authors"?

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          raulmatias@mstdn.social
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          #33

          @megalodonnelly @drgoon @cstross Because it's a fraud scheme. I'm pretty sure all of this is automated and there is not even a single person involved in publishing this shit to marketplaces and delivering it.

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          • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

            RE: https://infosec.exchange/@lcamtuf/116785283147249092

            We. Are. Doomed.

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            raulmatias@mstdn.social
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            #34

            @cstross Can I download a PDF of this? Just for giggles.

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            • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

              @kaito02 You know what I do for a living, right?

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              #35

              @cstross @kaito02 100,000 Whys is not a book, it's a book-shaped thing with words and images slopped into it. It has as little to do with actual reading as it does with actual art.

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              • R raulmatias@mstdn.social

                @megalodonnelly @drgoon @cstross Because it's a fraud scheme. I'm pretty sure all of this is automated and there is not even a single person involved in publishing this shit to marketplaces and delivering it.

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                #36

                @raulmatias @megalodonnelly @drgoon

                I just had a similar scout around two Amazons, which have a lot more than B&N lists. The really dumbfounding part is that there are a few actually fairly accurate '100000 Whys' books, sans illustrations, buried in the mix.

                But those aren't 'bestsellers'. They're the people with the format, who are being copied by the #AIslop mongers. Even then, though, they appear to be pseudonyms, and regurgitating things like the old CIA World Factbook.

                https://mastodonapp.uk/@JdeBP/116788436560592117

                @cstross
                #astronomy

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                • ehay2k@mastodon.socialE ehay2k@mastodon.social

                  @HollieK72 @cstross

                  I think the other 99K or so Whys come from questions about the veracity of the content. e.g. "Why did they say the front and back of the cat were the same?"

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                  #37

                  @Ehay2k @cstross I suppose it doesn't claim to answer all 100,000 Whys, just 100 of them - the rest are to be answered by parents, teachers, etc.

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                  • internetsdairy@mastodon.artI internetsdairy@mastodon.art

                    @ariels @cstross why it simply bounces its light off the earth

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                    #38

                    @internetsdairy @ariels @cstross

                    Arrows, too. Looking along the axis from the Earth's north to south (which is roughly pointing in the same direction as the normal of the Moon's orbital plane), the Moon moves eastward, i.e. in the counterclock wise direction.

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                    • holliek72@mastodonapp.ukH holliek72@mastodonapp.uk

                      @Ehay2k @cstross I suppose it doesn't claim to answer all 100,000 Whys, just 100 of them - the rest are to be answered by parents, teachers, etc.

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                      #39

                      @HollieK72 @cstross

                      And all of them will ask this question:

                      Why did we buy this book?

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                      • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                        RE: https://infosec.exchange/@lcamtuf/116785283147249092

                        We. Are. Doomed.

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                        #40

                        @cstross Behold my children, the sloppening is upon us.

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                        • R raulmatias@mstdn.social

                          @cstross Can I download a PDF of this? Just for giggles.

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                          #41

                          @raulmatias Not without giving the slopmonger money. Which I am morally opposed to doing, on principle (they're thieves, recycling stolen content via an LLM that mangles it in transit).

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                          • lazarou@mastodon.socialL lazarou@mastodon.social

                            @cstross as a child way back in the 80s I used to love the books of facts that were published for children back then.
                            Watching this mindless AI slop be forced on Kids, another part of their childhood's ruined by Late Stage Capitalism, not even the simple joy of Knowledge is allowed us....

                            mainec@fromm.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #42

                            @Lazarou @cstross and that is after those books were cut down in content already at least in Germany. The fact books I read as a child were a lot more detailed.

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                            • lazarou@mastodon.socialL lazarou@mastodon.social

                              @cstross as a child way back in the 80s I used to love the books of facts that were published for children back then.
                              Watching this mindless AI slop be forced on Kids, another part of their childhood's ruined by Late Stage Capitalism, not even the simple joy of Knowledge is allowed us....

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                              #43

                              @Lazarou

                              Can I just jump in here with everyone freaking out about the moon diagram: that's probably the same diagram they've used since the 80s. Yes, there's several things wrong with it. Yes, it drops a 3D structure into 2D.

                              Does it capture the basics for children who aren't great at visualizing in 3D yet? Absolutely.

                              C'mon.
                              Not everything is AI slop.

                              @cstross @cstross

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                              • lazarou@mastodon.socialL lazarou@mastodon.social

                                @cstross as a child way back in the 80s I used to love the books of facts that were published for children back then.
                                Watching this mindless AI slop be forced on Kids, another part of their childhood's ruined by Late Stage Capitalism, not even the simple joy of Knowledge is allowed us....

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                                #44

                                @Lazarou @cstross

                                "Giraffes control over 90 pecent of what we see in mirrors. "

                                Reference: https://store.mcsweeneys.net/products/giraffes-giraffes

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                                • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                  RE: https://infosec.exchange/@lcamtuf/116785283147249092

                                  We. Are. Doomed.

                                  ivor@social.ivor.orgI This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #45

                                  @cstross christ... what a topic, page after page of slop generated titles... 🤦
                                  Noticeable that they're all "copyright all rights reserved" by some person with simply multiple other 100000 books listed, and none have any "illustrations by" credit or anything else.

                                  and I'm pretty sure that's not where the stomach is.

                                  we're fucked.

                                  renard@equestria.socialR mshiltonj@mastodon.onlineM root42@chaos.socialR hoare_spitall@mastodon.worldH feijoa@mastodon.org.ukF 7 Replies Last reply
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                                  • ivor@social.ivor.orgI ivor@social.ivor.org

                                    @cstross christ... what a topic, page after page of slop generated titles... 🤦
                                    Noticeable that they're all "copyright all rights reserved" by some person with simply multiple other 100000 books listed, and none have any "illustrations by" credit or anything else.

                                    and I'm pretty sure that's not where the stomach is.

                                    we're fucked.

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                                    #46

                                    @ivor @cstross Gosh. Any decent librarian would remove that from their shelves.

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                                    • ivor@social.ivor.orgI ivor@social.ivor.org

                                      @cstross christ... what a topic, page after page of slop generated titles... 🤦
                                      Noticeable that they're all "copyright all rights reserved" by some person with simply multiple other 100000 books listed, and none have any "illustrations by" credit or anything else.

                                      and I'm pretty sure that's not where the stomach is.

                                      we're fucked.

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                                      #47

                                      @ivor @cstross shit like this is going to hurt amazon in the long run as their reputation tanks, but they'll take your money now.

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                                      • ivor@social.ivor.orgI ivor@social.ivor.org

                                        @cstross christ... what a topic, page after page of slop generated titles... 🤦
                                        Noticeable that they're all "copyright all rights reserved" by some person with simply multiple other 100000 books listed, and none have any "illustrations by" credit or anything else.

                                        and I'm pretty sure that's not where the stomach is.

                                        we're fucked.

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                                        #48

                                        @ivor I'm all eyes and ears.

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                                        • renard@equestria.socialR renard@equestria.social

                                          @ivor @cstross Gosh. Any decent librarian would remove that from their shelves.

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                                          #49

                                          @renard @ivor @cstross No decent librarian should need to, because no decent librarian would have let it onto them in the first place! But I'll allow that it's possible the titles could have been infiltrated by bad actors of one form or another

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