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  • stairjoke@indieweb.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
    stairjoke@indieweb.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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    #117

    @Kay Updates shouldn’t break the existing features. changing existing features should be rare, because it breaks learned behaviours. Having to update the manual might be friction enough to save us from ever changing UIs.

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    • corvidcrone@kolektiva.socialC corvidcrone@kolektiva.social

      *gently grabs the cheeks of all programmers to stare deeply into their eyes*

      All I want is a dry tech manual. A boring, well indexed manual that defines every function. Not a chatbot. Not a training. Not a million "articles" that I have to search through. Not a "community forum".

      My rice cooker came with one. I want one for every piece of software I have to interact with.

      Go get yourself a technical writer if necessary.

      I. Want. An. Instructional. Manual.

      stairjoke@indieweb.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
      stairjoke@indieweb.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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      #118

      @CorvidCrone The manual should include pictures, like the toolbar icon to click, and images that make it plain where in the UI a feature is located.

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      • corvidcrone@kolektiva.socialC corvidcrone@kolektiva.social

        *gently grabs the cheeks of all programmers to stare deeply into their eyes*

        All I want is a dry tech manual. A boring, well indexed manual that defines every function. Not a chatbot. Not a training. Not a million "articles" that I have to search through. Not a "community forum".

        My rice cooker came with one. I want one for every piece of software I have to interact with.

        Go get yourself a technical writer if necessary.

        I. Want. An. Instructional. Manual.

        exec@furry.engineerE This user is from outside of this forum
        exec@furry.engineerE This user is from outside of this forum
        exec@furry.engineer
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        #119

        @CorvidCrone

        Go get yourself a technical writer if necessary.

        Oh, great. I "got" one. My bf is one.

        But he's currently laid off, but not because of AI but because of outsourcing.

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        • corvidcrone@kolektiva.socialC corvidcrone@kolektiva.social

          *gently grabs the cheeks of all programmers to stare deeply into their eyes*

          All I want is a dry tech manual. A boring, well indexed manual that defines every function. Not a chatbot. Not a training. Not a million "articles" that I have to search through. Not a "community forum".

          My rice cooker came with one. I want one for every piece of software I have to interact with.

          Go get yourself a technical writer if necessary.

          I. Want. An. Instructional. Manual.

          dancingtreefrog@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
          dancingtreefrog@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
          dancingtreefrog@mastodon.social
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          #120

          @CorvidCrone As a former technical writer, I approve this message!

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          • corvidcrone@kolektiva.socialC corvidcrone@kolektiva.social

            *gently grabs the cheeks of all programmers to stare deeply into their eyes*

            All I want is a dry tech manual. A boring, well indexed manual that defines every function. Not a chatbot. Not a training. Not a million "articles" that I have to search through. Not a "community forum".

            My rice cooker came with one. I want one for every piece of software I have to interact with.

            Go get yourself a technical writer if necessary.

            I. Want. An. Instructional. Manual.

            davemwilburn@infosec.exchangeD This user is from outside of this forum
            davemwilburn@infosec.exchangeD This user is from outside of this forum
            davemwilburn@infosec.exchange
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            #121

            @CorvidCrone

            Sorry, best I can do is an excruciating and meandering 29-minute long YouTube video sponsored by Nord VPN.

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            • corvidcrone@kolektiva.socialC corvidcrone@kolektiva.social

              *gently grabs the cheeks of all programmers to stare deeply into their eyes*

              All I want is a dry tech manual. A boring, well indexed manual that defines every function. Not a chatbot. Not a training. Not a million "articles" that I have to search through. Not a "community forum".

              My rice cooker came with one. I want one for every piece of software I have to interact with.

              Go get yourself a technical writer if necessary.

              I. Want. An. Instructional. Manual.

              dkf@cyberplace.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
              dkf@cyberplace.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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              #122

              @CorvidCrone I got an archive.org record of a blog post that links a badly-compressed youtube video of a talk that has a briefly skipped past slide with a sentence about the API you're interested in.

              I'm surprised there's no sign "Beware of the Leopard".

              (There are bits of LLVM's advanced features that feel like they're documented exactly like this. Maybe they improved it. I doubt it, but maybe...)

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              • corvidcrone@kolektiva.socialC corvidcrone@kolektiva.social

                *gently grabs the cheeks of all programmers to stare deeply into their eyes*

                All I want is a dry tech manual. A boring, well indexed manual that defines every function. Not a chatbot. Not a training. Not a million "articles" that I have to search through. Not a "community forum".

                My rice cooker came with one. I want one for every piece of software I have to interact with.

                Go get yourself a technical writer if necessary.

                I. Want. An. Instructional. Manual.

                pattycat@mastodon.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
                pattycat@mastodon.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
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                #123

                @CorvidCrone user manuals, service manuals I keep from the parts and equipment along with the start-up reports I collate next to the equipment I service and maintain

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                • corvidcrone@kolektiva.socialC corvidcrone@kolektiva.social

                  *gently grabs the cheeks of all programmers to stare deeply into their eyes*

                  All I want is a dry tech manual. A boring, well indexed manual that defines every function. Not a chatbot. Not a training. Not a million "articles" that I have to search through. Not a "community forum".

                  My rice cooker came with one. I want one for every piece of software I have to interact with.

                  Go get yourself a technical writer if necessary.

                  I. Want. An. Instructional. Manual.

                  ianbadcoe@peoplemaking.gamesI This user is from outside of this forum
                  ianbadcoe@peoplemaking.gamesI This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #124

                  @CorvidCrone And I certainly don't want to have to watch a half hour YouTube video that may or may not turn out to be for the same version...

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                  • corvidcrone@kolektiva.socialC corvidcrone@kolektiva.social

                    *gently grabs the cheeks of all programmers to stare deeply into their eyes*

                    All I want is a dry tech manual. A boring, well indexed manual that defines every function. Not a chatbot. Not a training. Not a million "articles" that I have to search through. Not a "community forum".

                    My rice cooker came with one. I want one for every piece of software I have to interact with.

                    Go get yourself a technical writer if necessary.

                    I. Want. An. Instructional. Manual.

                    gourd@indiepocalypse.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
                    gourd@indiepocalypse.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
                    gourd@indiepocalypse.social
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                    #125

                    @CorvidCrone unfortunately in the current state of things it's more likely you get a chatbot sent to you with a rice cooker *sigh*

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                    • corvidcrone@kolektiva.socialC corvidcrone@kolektiva.social

                      *gently grabs the cheeks of all programmers to stare deeply into their eyes*

                      All I want is a dry tech manual. A boring, well indexed manual that defines every function. Not a chatbot. Not a training. Not a million "articles" that I have to search through. Not a "community forum".

                      My rice cooker came with one. I want one for every piece of software I have to interact with.

                      Go get yourself a technical writer if necessary.

                      I. Want. An. Instructional. Manual.

                      swade2569@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
                      swade2569@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #126

                      @CorvidCrone No video on YT either, asking me to like share and subscribe, spending 3/4 of the time talking about and around the problem before giving a solution which is hardly a solution at all which they then link to another solution…… fuuuuuu

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                      • corvidcrone@kolektiva.socialC corvidcrone@kolektiva.social

                        *gently grabs the cheeks of all programmers to stare deeply into their eyes*

                        All I want is a dry tech manual. A boring, well indexed manual that defines every function. Not a chatbot. Not a training. Not a million "articles" that I have to search through. Not a "community forum".

                        My rice cooker came with one. I want one for every piece of software I have to interact with.

                        Go get yourself a technical writer if necessary.

                        I. Want. An. Instructional. Manual.

                        wordman@dice.campW This user is from outside of this forum
                        wordman@dice.campW This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #127

                        @CorvidCrone I don't think it is programmers you need to convince of this.

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                        • corvidcrone@kolektiva.socialC corvidcrone@kolektiva.social

                          *gently grabs the cheeks of all programmers to stare deeply into their eyes*

                          All I want is a dry tech manual. A boring, well indexed manual that defines every function. Not a chatbot. Not a training. Not a million "articles" that I have to search through. Not a "community forum".

                          My rice cooker came with one. I want one for every piece of software I have to interact with.

                          Go get yourself a technical writer if necessary.

                          I. Want. An. Instructional. Manual.

                          darkmatterzine@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
                          darkmatterzine@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
                          darkmatterzine@mastodon.social
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                          #128

                          @CorvidCrone yes, this. I love a good manual. Contents, index and a good search function.
                          Hubby has been told over the years that one of the reasons he’s such a good programmer is that he notates his code as he goes so it’s easy for others to see what he’s done and, later, to modify it without causing a chain reaction.

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                          • dequbed@mastodon.chaosfield.atD dequbed@mastodon.chaosfield.at

                            @drwho @CorvidCrone maybe, I never used most of those too much. But old CAD and CAM software was *bad*. Simulation / scientific software even more so. Sure if your previous standard was batch processed hand punched FORTRAN they were all usable but a lot of companies really showed that they were trying out these newfangled GUIs for the first time and spend all their money on the shiny interface and none on fixing bugs.

                            cyancqueak@dice.campC This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #129

                            @dequbed @drwho @CorvidCrone pleasingly the ANSYS of 2007 came with a manual that told you everything that every function and setting did. Those were the days of the GUI mostly being a tool to write a text file for the computational bit.

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                            • corvidcrone@kolektiva.socialC corvidcrone@kolektiva.social

                              *gently grabs the cheeks of all programmers to stare deeply into their eyes*

                              All I want is a dry tech manual. A boring, well indexed manual that defines every function. Not a chatbot. Not a training. Not a million "articles" that I have to search through. Not a "community forum".

                              My rice cooker came with one. I want one for every piece of software I have to interact with.

                              Go get yourself a technical writer if necessary.

                              I. Want. An. Instructional. Manual.

                              nlarson830@techhub.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
                              nlarson830@techhub.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #130

                              @CorvidCrone

                              <whiny voice>
                              "Bbut instruction manuals are haaard."
                              🙄

                              Extra steps that are important:
                              1) Have that technical writer's work vetted by the people that wrote the software.
                              2) Bare minimum make the manual available as a PDF, ideally a printed on paper manual TOO!

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                              • oldmankris@mastodon.xyzO This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #131

                                @gilesgoat @CorvidCrone I was so lucky in my first job: my cubicle was right next to all the shelves of VMS and other OS docs. Nice to browse through during the two-hour compile times.

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                                • corvidcrone@kolektiva.socialC corvidcrone@kolektiva.social

                                  *gently grabs the cheeks of all programmers to stare deeply into their eyes*

                                  All I want is a dry tech manual. A boring, well indexed manual that defines every function. Not a chatbot. Not a training. Not a million "articles" that I have to search through. Not a "community forum".

                                  My rice cooker came with one. I want one for every piece of software I have to interact with.

                                  Go get yourself a technical writer if necessary.

                                  I. Want. An. Instructional. Manual.

                                  tusharhero@mathstodon.xyzT This user is from outside of this forum
                                  tusharhero@mathstodon.xyzT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #132

                                  @CorvidCrone GNU Info manuals are good

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                                  • resuna@ohai.socialR resuna@ohai.social

                                    @CorvidCrone

                                    The beginning of the end came when they started replacing man pages with GNU info files. Or maybe when they stopped creating GNU info files you could generate man pages from, and gave you man pages with scraps telling you to look in the info files.

                                    tusharhero@mathstodon.xyzT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #133

                                    @resuna @CorvidCrone Info manuals are strictly superior to man pages though.

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                                    • tusharhero@mathstodon.xyzT tusharhero@mathstodon.xyz

                                      @resuna @CorvidCrone Info manuals are strictly superior to man pages though.

                                      resuna@ohai.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #134

                                      @tusharhero @CorvidCrone

                                      More verbose, anyway. Harder to use as references. Like the difference between a document and a website.

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                                      • corvidcrone@kolektiva.socialC corvidcrone@kolektiva.social

                                        *gently grabs the cheeks of all programmers to stare deeply into their eyes*

                                        All I want is a dry tech manual. A boring, well indexed manual that defines every function. Not a chatbot. Not a training. Not a million "articles" that I have to search through. Not a "community forum".

                                        My rice cooker came with one. I want one for every piece of software I have to interact with.

                                        Go get yourself a technical writer if necessary.

                                        I. Want. An. Instructional. Manual.

                                        haui@mastodon.giftedmc.comH This user is from outside of this forum
                                        haui@mastodon.giftedmc.comH This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #135

                                        @CorvidCrone
                                        Most sane take on the fedi in a week.

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                                        • cyancqueak@dice.campC cyancqueak@dice.camp

                                          @dequbed @drwho @CorvidCrone pleasingly the ANSYS of 2007 came with a manual that told you everything that every function and setting did. Those were the days of the GUI mostly being a tool to write a text file for the computational bit.

                                          dequbed@mastodon.chaosfield.atD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #136

                                          @cyancqueak @drwho @CorvidCrone yeah, a bunch of software just uses GUIs for nicer setup of the batch processing pipeline. Those are all fine, turns out we have by now figured out batch processing
                                          Biggest issue with batch processing is the very slow feedback cycle for errors, but that's solved by aiming for slower churn and more slack for unexpected errors and any work envionment that does that is better off for it anyway ^^

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