@firefoxwebdevs @heptapodEnthusiast @nuintari not addressing it is manipulative because it lets people assume that there is still room for negotiation when you've said there isn't (only after being repeatedly pressed on it).

@firefoxwebdevs 1. i don't think it's fair to combine both options, since "completely disable" is not the same in principle as "allow re-enable".

2. that link does not make it easy for non-techies to find an answer to "is this trained on data that was ultimately gathered without consent". if a dataset is "open" that doesn't mean the data itself was, it just means that the scrapers are claiming it's fine actually. this would likely change many people's answers, judging by the tenor of the discussions happening in the comments.

@firefoxwebdevs @heptapodEnthusiast @nuintari then why not say up front that a popularly-requested option is not on the table? that would have made the poll more transparent.

@firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard "trained on open data" what kind of open data? and why does this need to be in the browser in the first place instead of being an extension?

your last sentence feels condescending. "it should be disabled" is not the winner, "it should be disabled with the option of enabling" is the winner. why wasn't there an option for "make firefox's machine translation an extension instead"?

if you think i am misunderstanding, consider that i am a very average user of firefox who does not work in anything remotely resembling tech and if you feel like i don't understand something then that means either you are doing a shit job explaining or you are being stubborn and do not want to accept that even average users don't want this forced on them. or both.

@davidgerard @firefoxwebdevs @zzt @yoasif @fmasy @Rycochet yeah i would like to see some acknowledgement that the language was misleading.

@firefoxwebdevs @zzt @yoasif @fmasy @Rycochet @davidgerard as in it should be disabled. this is something that should be an optional extension, not baked into a browser.

@firefoxwebdevs @zzt @yoasif @fmasy @Rycochet @davidgerard the poll was misleading and i am sure i am not the only one who voted to re-enable the translation because it wasn't fully clear what that meant. if i could revoke my vote i would.

@firefoxwebdevs the language and framing of this poll is misleading. i voted for "re-enable translations", but after reading more of the discussions happening in the comments i would have rather voted for "yes". what kind of open data are we talking about? why does this need to be built into the browser instead of being available as an optional extension?

@tasket @twifkak seems to me like that refers to the dataset, not to the source material. if the source material was truly public domain, that information is not easy for me to find.