@someone_else @dan Certain things just don't belong on the internet... If there's nothing I can do remotely that's useful, I don't want it on the internet. Dishwashers, washing machines, stuff like that, I can't see a use for putting stuff in that I want it to do LATER that a TIMER wouldn't do.
Oven is the rare use case of "preheat the oven on the way home" and "oh shoot, did I leave the oven on?"
Basically every other appliance I don't need it on the internet.

This is why those smart home tablets are becoming a thing. Too many things are locked behind an app/webpage, so now we need a dedicated button panel that stops working if the internet/AWS drops.