@SRAZKVT @xgranade I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean, or by "my work" or "valuable," and that's not me trolling, I often have trouble understanding things that are obvious to others.

But what you say makes me think of means of production, which are all quite fully seized by capitalists. My thinking is it's quite funny to blow up their investments by e.g. disseminating distilled models (deepseek) or FOSS versions of software they try to sell

@xgranade I'm not trying to argue they're a categorical good, I just don't see how it's a bad thing to leverage them to quickly spin up a site turning publicly available data on pedestrian involved traffic incidents into some boomer-friendly charts that I can show to a local minister when I meet with her. I can build that myself, but with LLMs I can build it and five other things in the same time. So like, how's that bad?

@xgranade fascists built a lot of things that I've used against them. Riot shields and gas masks, for example. I don't understand why we shouldn't use existent tools to further leftist goals just because someone despicable invented them.

Evidence shows that insane claims True Believers make are obviously false, but I've not seen evidence that LLMs are "useless." I've plenty of experience too. We don't know each other, I guess there's no reason you should care, but what's the point of talking?

@xgranade here's my question: the IDF uses Microsoft cloud solutions in service of their genocide, fascists are on Teams, and apparently Bill Gates was getting antibiotics from Epstein. Using Windows is using the tools of fascist pedophiles.

Unjustifiable. Anyone that uses Windows is Wrong. Right?

Is that a purity test? Am I as justified in criticizing anyone on earth that uses Windows as everyone here is for going goblin mode on LLMs and anyone using them?

@dave what's wrong with the term neolib? Is there a better catchall term for the prevailing social construct of basically every western democracy?

@cthos I think that's less an indictment of Doctorow and more one of the never-LLM crowd, who have clearly become dogmatic Puritans

@dalias @xgranade denying the usefulness of LLMs seems a bit wrongheaded at this point. I've been an engineer a decade now, at this point I don't really encounter things I can't build myself anymore, but LLMs let me build them far more quickly. 1000x more quickly? Absolutely not. But measurably quickly. I use this added time to increase my personal leisure as well as finally get some civic hacking done I've had on the to-do for years.

@davey_cakes @disorderlyf @xgranade why not rip the master's tools from his hands and use them to demolish his house? Sounds grand to me. A hammer is a hammer is a hammer.