@thomasjwebb Not to pre-empt Christine (I don’t know what she has in mind anyway), but you may find the essay The eternal mainframe by Rudolf Winestock interesting if you haven’t read it already: https://www.winestockwebdesign.com/Essays/Eternal_Mainframe.html (archive: https://archive.today/mz7Zk). (It’s from 2013, so admittedly a bit old.)

@eniko If anything, I think we should want Firefox to be independent of any state (in so far as that’s possible), and for it to be an open and transparent project. After all, the issue isn’t the *American* techindustry per se, but who’s in control over the technology we use daily, and that isn’t, in my mind, a question of national or European sovereignty; it’s a question of how decisions are made and implemented, and that spans borders.

@eniko I don’t think it’s desirable for the EU to own Firefox. It wouldn’t be a “sovereign EU-browser”, but a “browser that makes the EU (the entity) sovereign”—and the EU, like any state, must be separated from the people it supposedly represents. Chat control, ageverification, the rush towards the AI-future, etc., these are things the EU is susceptible to. There’s nothing to say that an EU-owned Firefox would be much better *for its users*.