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  • ugh I remember this mf from 90s usenet, he would pontificate endlessly but never seemed to actually work on anything
    pozorvlak@mathstodon.xyzP pozorvlak@mathstodon.xyz

    @jwcph (a) yes, (b) no. The idea is to operationalise the nebulous question "can machines think?" by replacing it with "can a machine successfully play the Imitation Game?", just as Scoville operationalised "how hot is this pepper?" by replacing it with "by what factor must we dilute an extract of this pepper so that a panel of trained judges can no longer detect the heat?" Turing admits (page 2) that it may be possible to construct a machine whose operations are worthy of the name "thinking" but which cannot play the Imitation Game, but he thinks that if a machine can successfully play the Imitation Game against a sceptical judge, asking questions drawn from "almost any one of the fields of human endeavour that we wish to include", then whatever it's doing deserves to be called "thinking". That's a *much* harder challenge than producing text which is human-like enough to fool the casual observer: arguably that easier test was passed by Eugene Goostman back in 2014.

    Anyway, I strongly recommend reading the paper: it's short, beautifully written, and answers most of the common objections that are raised to it. There's a copy at
    https://courses.cs.umbc.edu/471/papers/turing.pdf.

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  • ugh I remember this mf from 90s usenet, he would pontificate endlessly but never seemed to actually work on anything
    pozorvlak@mathstodon.xyzP pozorvlak@mathstodon.xyz

    @jwcph will read, thanks! If you read Turing's 1950 paper then it's clear he used conversation *as a way of administering arbitrary cognitive tests to the machine*, not because he thought there was anything special about conversation itself. Still not a perfect test, but not bad for a first cut - sadly we haven't really moved on since!

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  • ugh I remember this mf from 90s usenet, he would pontificate endlessly but never seemed to actually work on anything
    pozorvlak@mathstodon.xyzP pozorvlak@mathstodon.xyz

    @glitzersachen "current approaches won't scale to ASI" seems plausible (though not so plausible I want to bet the farm on it), but you totally lost me at "...and then there will be a fifty-year AI winter". I give it five years max after the current AI bubble bursts before the next one starts inflating.

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