@pmmueller @bph To be honest, I don't agree with that. First of all: yes, I love Gutenberg and I now prefer to build pages with it. I am now familiar with around 30 page builders. Each one has its justification for existence. Elementor too. I don't think much (or rather nothing at all) of drawing a kind of comparison here in terms of Gutenberg. It leads nowhere. Page builders are and will continue to be part of the diversity of WordPress. For good reason.