had dinner last night with a couple of kids from Texas and their assessment is that the education system is completely fucked.
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@peter Back to hand writing!
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had dinner last night with a couple of kids from Texas and their assessment is that the education system is completely fucked. it's all teachers using ChatGPT to make lessons that kids complete using ChatGPT and then teachers grade the work using ChatGPT. you couldn't undermine a society more effectively if you set out to do it on purpose.
@peter What makes you think this is not the purpose, or at least an intentional consequence?
The less informed, the less capable of independent thought, the easier to subject.
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@Azarilh @ariarhythmic @peter I ran into a surprising manifestation of this when I was in high school in the 2010s, which I assume happened due to some shift in guidelines. Suddenly everything was about critical thinking! Critical thinking is a good skill yes. But nobody even bothered to explain what it was. How it works. How you go about training it. They just expected everyone to have it from the off. And while I may or may not have it, can you explain to me how the fuck you define it? I was a very confused autist.
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@peter The reason this is happening is ChatGPT is a perfect fit to what the education systems has demanded all along, which is busywork for the sake of busywork, lengthy writings that hold no meaning, time-consuming assignments that serve no purpose.
LLMs are *great* for this! It's not that they've fundamentally messed up the system that was, it's that their presence is shining a spotlight on how shitty it's always been.
@ariarhythmic @peter I’m not an expert on our educational system as a whole, but my wife is a teacher, and this doesn't reflect her commitment to teaching at all. She puts a lot of work into her lesson plans, assignments and grading. Based on some of her student evaluations and comments on sites like Rate my Professor, it's clear that some students won't give her methods a chance and write her assignments off as pointless.
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@f4grx @peter Didn't we figure out murdering political opponents in death camps was bad in the 1940s? Did you forget?
Or is your point that instead of removing oppressive systems, you want to be placed in charge of them? Didn't we learn how that works out with the tyrannical regimes of the Soviet Union and now the PRC?
Or have you never bothered to?@ariarhythmic @f4grx @peter
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@ariarhythmic @peter I’m not an expert on our educational system as a whole, but my wife is a teacher, and this doesn't reflect her commitment to teaching at all. She puts a lot of work into her lesson plans, assignments and grading. Based on some of her student evaluations and comments on sites like Rate my Professor, it's clear that some students won't give her methods a chance and write her assignments off as pointless.
@cj @ariarhythmic i hate the practice of rating teachers, as if students are consumers to be served rather than people to be educated.
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had dinner last night with a couple of kids from Texas and their assessment is that the education system is completely fucked. it's all teachers using ChatGPT to make lessons that kids complete using ChatGPT and then teachers grade the work using ChatGPT. you couldn't undermine a society more effectively if you set out to do it on purpose.
@peter Sooner or later, this was going to happen with Ford-model pedagogy. Modern pedagogy showed a different education is possible, but powers that be wanted schools, esp. public ones, to remain a mere factory of obedient workers
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@Azarilh @ariarhythmic @peter
After Mussolini was hanged up, it changed Franco's mind and near ded he decided to name King Juan Carlos to put Spain into democracy (kind of, the system we got was for the Borbons to keep stealing).So, yes, it works. I'm sure there are many other examples.
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@theothersimo @ariarhythmic @peter
Thats why we need politicians that will not bend to them, and will not tax them. Politicians and judges that will put them in jail.
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@peter No public executions.
Making a show of executing your enemies when you've already won is meaningless violence. Get above that, it's the 21st century in case you haven't noticed.
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@f4grx @peter Didn't we figure out murdering political opponents in death camps was bad in the 1940s? Did you forget?
Or is your point that instead of removing oppressive systems, you want to be placed in charge of them? Didn't we learn how that works out with the tyrannical regimes of the Soviet Union and now the PRC?
Or have you never bothered to?@ariarhythmic @f4grx @peter but murdering the rest of us is ok as long as billionairs are doing it???
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@Azarilh @ariarhythmic @peter
After Mussolini was hanged up, it changed Franco's mind and near ded he decided to name King Juan Carlos to put Spain into democracy (kind of, the system we got was for the Borbons to keep stealing).So, yes, it works. I'm sure there are many other examples.
@DBG3D
@Azarilh @ariarhythmic @peter
For an anarchist perspective against state terror and public executions i suggest the essay:
"Against the Logic of the Guillotine
Why the Paris Commune Burned the Guillotine—and We Should Too"
https://crimethinc.com/2019/04/08/against-the-logic-of-the-guillotine-why-the-paris-commune-burned-the-guillotine-and-we-should-tooAlso tiqqun's book The Imaginary Party theorizes the pitfalls of people's courts, if the goal is legit freedom and revolution.
"Foucault, too, made a decisive contribution to the theory of the Imaginary Party: his interviews dealing with the plebs. Foucault evokes the theme for the first time in a “Discussion with Maoists” on “popular justice” in 1972. Criticizing the Maoist practice of popular courts, he reminds us that all popular revolts since the Middles Ages have been anti-judicial, that the constitution of people’s courts during the French Revolution occurred at precisely the moment when the bourgeoisie regained control, and, finally, that the tribunal form, by reintroducing a neutral authority between the people and its enemies, reincorporated the principle of the state in the struggle against the state. “When we talk about courts we’re talking about a place where the struggle between contending forces is willy-nilly suspended.” According to Foucault, the function of justice following the Middles Ages was to separate the proletarianized plebs-the plebs integrated as a proletariat, included by way of their exclusion-from the non-proletarianized plebs, from the plebs proper. By isolating within the mass of the poor the “criminals,” the “violent,” the “insane,” the “vagrants,” the “perverted,” the “gangsters,” the “underworld,” THEY would not only remove what was for power the most dangerous segment of the population, that which was always ready for armed, Insurrectionary action, THEY would also enable themselves to turn the people’s most offensive elements against the people themselves. This would be the permanent threat of “either you go to prison or you join the army,” “either you go to prison or you leave for the colonies,” “either you go to prison or you join the police,” etc. All the effort of the workers’ movement to distinguish between honest, strike-ready workers from “agitators,” “rioters,” and other “uncontrollable elements” is an extension of this opposition between the plebs and the proletariat. The same logic is at work today when gangsters become security guards: in order to neutralize the Imaginary Party by playing one of its parts off the others."
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/tiqqun-this-is-not-a-programIn other words, destroy the apparatuses, not the people.
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