don't like ai drinking up all the water?
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@costeer That's sobering. Can we get a source or three?
@phf sure the source of the graph is this reddit post https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/1oa6kbp/beef_industry_vs_data_centres_chat_gpt_sora_usa/
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don't like ai drinking up all the water? become vegan today!
@costeer
To become vegan instantly is hard.
Make it a journey:
1. Switch from beef/pork to chicken/turkey
2. Become vegetarian step by step
3. Become vegan.1st step has already a big impact and is easier than most people think. Step 2 is challenging no question, but if you reduce meat consumption step by step it is doable. That is my current stage. So, I can not talk about step 3, jet.
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don't like ai drinking up all the water? become vegan today!
@costeer Would like to add some news from 1997: https://news.cornell.edu/stories/1997/08/us-could-feed-800-million-people-grain-livestock-eat
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don't like ai drinking up all the water? become vegan today!
ya can eat beef; ya can't eat a Data Center or whatever it does either.
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@costeer
To become vegan instantly is hard.
Make it a journey:
1. Switch from beef/pork to chicken/turkey
2. Become vegetarian step by step
3. Become vegan.1st step has already a big impact and is easier than most people think. Step 2 is challenging no question, but if you reduce meat consumption step by step it is doable. That is my current stage. So, I can not talk about step 3, jet.
@riwe @costeer
instantly driving safe is hard. i'm on a journey to reduce traffic accidents:1. avoid damaging mine or other cars by swerving into the pavement. pedestrians are much softer.
2. avoid crashing into other cars.
3. avoid running over cyclists and pedestrians.i'm at step 2, reducing harm, pedestrian by pedestrian.
#LessMeat #GoVegan #BanCars #StopGenAI -
ya can eat beef; ya can't eat a Data Center or whatever it does either.
@BillMcGuire @costeer
and you can also not do it.
https://watchdominion.org -
@costeer
To become vegan instantly is hard.
Make it a journey:
1. Switch from beef/pork to chicken/turkey
2. Become vegetarian step by step
3. Become vegan.1st step has already a big impact and is easier than most people think. Step 2 is challenging no question, but if you reduce meat consumption step by step it is doable. That is my current stage. So, I can not talk about step 3, jet.
@riwe @costeer i've switched directly to vegetarian over 10 years ago and i'm not looking back, becoming vegan is much involved, not sure i could do that (but who knows?).i think one screening of 'cowspiracy' is enough to convince some people.Main problem is that food industry has too much to lose (they are lobbying ofc and they have alot of resources) and people need to start to think in different ways.And vegetarian food is quite good,but it needs some thought which might be too much for some.
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don't like ai drinking up all the water? become vegan today!
@costeer@mastodon.de
I'm vegan and I don't use AI so...
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@riwe @costeer
instantly driving safe is hard. i'm on a journey to reduce traffic accidents:1. avoid damaging mine or other cars by swerving into the pavement. pedestrians are much softer.
2. avoid crashing into other cars.
3. avoid running over cyclists and pedestrians.i'm at step 2, reducing harm, pedestrian by pedestrian.
#LessMeat #GoVegan #BanCars #StopGenAI -
don't like ai drinking up all the water? become vegan today!
I can't eat a data center. Hope this helps.
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@riwe @costeer
you can literally just avoid the harm by choosing to buy the plant-based sausages, but instead you're suggesting buying dead birds instead of dead mammals.that is equal in absurdity to mitigating harm to drivers and their cars by swerving into pedestrians instead.
generative AI and data centers are harmful beyond the water use, and same for animal farms and slaughterhouses: https://watchdominion.org
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don't like ai drinking up all the water? become vegan today!
@costeer yes, but more are data centers are being built everywhere, and the big tech companies building them are lying about the shit like the smoking industry did, with their own non-independent reports that imagine water infinitely circling inside them which is lies
and if its YOUR town then suddenly it doesn't matter if every other town's drinking water is still fine. what will you do if its YOU that can't access water?
I cut beef out my diet 5 years ago because its the largest contributor to Climate Change
if you can't give up all meat just give that one up
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@riwe @costeer
you can literally just avoid the harm by choosing to buy the plant-based sausages, but instead you're suggesting buying dead birds instead of dead mammals.that is equal in absurdity to mitigating harm to drivers and their cars by swerving into pedestrians instead.
generative AI and data centers are harmful beyond the water use, and same for animal farms and slaughterhouses: https://watchdominion.org
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@GLaDTheresCake @riwe @costeer
that is quite a centrist take from self-described »no one is free until we're all free« anarchist.if you accept the "less meat" excuse, you're opening the door for bullshit excuses:
»i am helping the animal liberation cause by eating a cheeseburger because i could've bought the double cheeseburger.«
i slap you in the face, and so i am helping you end violence, because i slapped less hard than i otherwise would have, and perfrct is the enemy of good, and so on ...
and now i'm getting worried that you yourself are eating animals, when you »your cause« me like that.
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don't like ai drinking up all the water? become vegan today!
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@GLaDTheresCake @riwe @costeer
that is quite a centrist take from self-described »no one is free until we're all free« anarchist.if you accept the "less meat" excuse, you're opening the door for bullshit excuses:
»i am helping the animal liberation cause by eating a cheeseburger because i could've bought the double cheeseburger.«
i slap you in the face, and so i am helping you end violence, because i slapped less hard than i otherwise would have, and perfrct is the enemy of good, and so on ...
and now i'm getting worried that you yourself are eating animals, when you »your cause« me like that.
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@GLaDTheresCake @riwe @costeer
that is quite a centrist take from self-described »no one is free until we're all free« anarchist.if you accept the "less meat" excuse, you're opening the door for bullshit excuses:
»i am helping the animal liberation cause by eating a cheeseburger because i could've bought the double cheeseburger.«
i slap you in the face, and so i am helping you end violence, because i slapped less hard than i otherwise would have, and perfrct is the enemy of good, and so on ...
and now i'm getting worried that you yourself are eating animals, when you »your cause« me like that.
@pelle @riwe @costeer I don't, eat animals. But besides that, you cannot individualize systemic issues like that, that's liberal brainworm territory.
The food system is complicated, for a lot of different reasons, but a large one is the standard of agriculture being one borne of colonizers from Europe. One of impoverishing soil, monocropping, intensive animal farming, and destruction of the environment.
You cannot seriously believe that you can be morally indignant enough to stop the meat industry, or do you also believe if you complain enough about cars the oil industry will just flop over and die? I think getting people to engage with the more constructive elements of any movement will be a lot easier than aggressively shaming them into something. I don't actually think the latter one ever works for anything.
Systemic problems require systemic solutions, and they require strategy as well. Standing on your principles is laudable — and I obviously don't think veganism is evil — but I do think that you cannot force others to immediately share your world view and change something as essential as diet on the spot, especially because the system just isn't designed for that to begin with.
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@costeer
To become vegan instantly is hard.
Make it a journey:
1. Switch from beef/pork to chicken/turkey
2. Become vegetarian step by step
3. Become vegan.1st step has already a big impact and is easier than most people think. Step 2 is challenging no question, but if you reduce meat consumption step by step it is doable. That is my current stage. So, I can not talk about step 3, jet.
I don't think there's a single good approach but it really depends on what your diet is, and also whom you may share most of your meals with.
When you use a lot of ground meat it can be easily replaced with a vegan substitute which virtually no one notices. There are some really good meaty vegan burgers out there as well. Just serve it first, explain later. Avoid the initial automatic rejection many people have.
You can also opt for seitan which can replace both beef and chicken in many many recipes.
And to me the easiest way to make change is to look online for recipes. Just search for '[dish you want] vegan' or search with an ingredient or two. There will be plenty of options that come up, from easy to complex.
I think a lot of people struggle because they have no idea how to cook delicious vegan recipes - it just doesn't enter their brain.My most successful way to encourage people to eat (more) plant-based is by just cooking great meals for them and let them be surprised by how delicious and satisfying it can be.
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don't like ai drinking up all the water? become vegan today!
@costeer AI isn’t food, chief.
The US uses about 1e14 liters of water for farm irrigation per year. Should we stop that too?
https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/farm-practices-management/irrigation-water-use
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don't like ai drinking up all the water? become vegan today!
Becoming Vegetarian changes a lot too, it also leads to very positive changes in health state and finances.
On top no meat much less cruelty and environmental damage.
