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  • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

    Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

    * enable developer options
    * confirm that you are not tricked
    * restart phone and re-authenticate
    * wait one day
    * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
    * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
    * confirm that you accept the risks
    * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

    https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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    #201

    @grote

    calling it "sideloading" is already an insult. it's not a sideloading, it's installing an app like we used to (and still do) install apps on PC forever. inventing scary slurs is a psychological trick that we should not accept.

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    • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

      Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

      * enable developer options
      * confirm that you are not tricked
      * restart phone and re-authenticate
      * wait one day
      * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
      * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
      * confirm that you accept the risks
      * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

      https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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      #202

      @grote So they decided to make it more complicated than installing a free Android distribution.

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      • ziclaud@mastodon.socialZ ziclaud@mastodon.social

        *Cries in Redmi phones* (they're not allowing me to unlock the bootloader 💀)

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        #203

        @ziclaud

        You need to make a xiaomi account and bind it to your device. It has a 24+h wait, allegedly. I have no idea how it works, though, I have never done it.

        I'd recommend using something else than a phone. 🫠

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        • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

          Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

          * enable developer options
          * confirm that you are not tricked
          * restart phone and re-authenticate
          * wait one day
          * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
          * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
          * confirm that you accept the risks
          * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

          https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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          #204

          @grote they're stepping back a lot so the pushback is clearly working, keep it up until we get rid of this entirely

          i must admit, this is a lot better than what i thought their "advanced flow" would be. don't give them a single inch though, if this is implemented it'll be the first step towards fully killing off installing the apps you want to use on your device that you paid for

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          • tedmielczarek@mastodon.socialT tedmielczarek@mastodon.social

            @tehstu @grote bold of you to assume that multibillion-dollar companies play by the same rules as average developers. If Apple locked down macOS installation to the App Store Google would just call them up and negotiate an exception (if Apple didn't just build one in from the outset).

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            #205

            @tedmielczarek @grote You put more thought into the joke than I did, to be fair.

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            • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

              Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

              * enable developer options
              * confirm that you are not tricked
              * restart phone and re-authenticate
              * wait one day
              * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
              * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
              * confirm that you accept the risks
              * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

              https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #206
              @grote I mean, at that point using adb is kinda easier
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              • dusk@nou.fai.stD dusk@nou.fai.st
                @grote I mean, at that point using adb is kinda easier
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                #207

                @dusk https://chaos.social/@grote/116257742125864690

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                • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                  They even have a video up where they try to make this all sound nice and positive:

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                  #208

                  @grote
                  Not watching it. Thank you

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                  • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                    Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                    * enable developer options
                    * confirm that you are not tricked
                    * restart phone and re-authenticate
                    * wait one day
                    * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                    * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                    * confirm that you accept the risks
                    * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                    https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                    #209

                    @grote I'm very thankful to google for covering the incredibly common case where I'm forced at gunpoint to install a malicious apk. Now such attacks will require attackers to kidnap me for a couple of days, which severely limits their options.

                    We can finally break the cycle of coercion where after being scammed into installing an apk, I started scamming people into installing apks.

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                    • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                      Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                      * enable developer options
                      * confirm that you are not tricked
                      * restart phone and re-authenticate
                      * wait one day
                      * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                      * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                      * confirm that you accept the risks
                      * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                      https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                      #210

                      @grote it will REQUIRE biometrics? See, @fistfulofdave @wendigo @gavin57 this is what I mean. Whole world wants to put biometrics in everything. It's nonsense

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                      • kevinrns@mstdn.socialK kevinrns@mstdn.social

                        @raymaccarthy @utf_7 @grote

                        Dont use bank apps. Find a Credit Union

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                        #211

                        @kevinrns @utf_7 @grote
                        That won't work.

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                        • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                          Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                          * enable developer options
                          * confirm that you are not tricked
                          * restart phone and re-authenticate
                          * wait one day
                          * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                          * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                          * confirm that you accept the risks
                          * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                          https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                          #212

                          @grote I guess I'd be fine with the rest, but wait one day... geez, are you kidding me?

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                          • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                            Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                            * enable developer options
                            * confirm that you are not tricked
                            * restart phone and re-authenticate
                            * wait one day
                            * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                            * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                            * confirm that you accept the risks
                            * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                            https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                            reiddragon@fedi.catto.garden
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                            #213
                            @grote I think this is what people in the industry would call "a steaming pile of horseshit"
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                            • ziclaud@mastodon.socialZ ziclaud@mastodon.social

                              *Cries in Redmi phones* (they're not allowing me to unlock the bootloader 💀)

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                              #214

                              @ziclaud depends on the device. My Redmi Note 11 took two attempts before I could finally unlock the bootloader, I had to wait 2 weeks because I clicked twice on the Mi Unlock tool.

                              You need a Xiaomi account, insert a SIM card into your phone, use that phone number for the Xiaomi account, then you can start the verification process. It's horrible, but it can be done.

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                              • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                                Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                                * enable developer options
                                * confirm that you are not tricked
                                * restart phone and re-authenticate
                                * wait one day
                                * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                                * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                                * confirm that you accept the risks
                                * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                                https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                                #215
                                I thought this was a joke
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                                • eldaking@weirder.earthE eldaking@weirder.earth

                                  @grote I'm very thankful to google for covering the incredibly common case where I'm forced at gunpoint to install a malicious apk. Now such attacks will require attackers to kidnap me for a couple of days, which severely limits their options.

                                  We can finally break the cycle of coercion where after being scammed into installing an apk, I started scamming people into installing apks.

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                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #216

                                  @grote "In these scenarios, scammers exploit fear – using threats of financial ruin, legal trouble, or harm to a loved one – to create a sense of extreme urgency."

                                  In these scenarios, Google exploits fear – using threats of financial ruin, legal trouble, or harm to a loved one – to justify taking control over your phone.

                                  "According to a 2025 report from the Global Anti-Scam Alliance (GASA), 57% of surveyed adults experienced a scam in the past year, resulting in a global consumer loss of $442 billion."

                                  We don't have any data on harm being caused specifically by sideloading apps, so here is some completely unrelated data that is very worrying.

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                                  • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                                    Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                                    * enable developer options
                                    * confirm that you are not tricked
                                    * restart phone and re-authenticate
                                    * wait one day
                                    * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                                    * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                                    * confirm that you accept the risks
                                    * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                                    https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                                    #217

                                    @grote wow. for a second i thought this was satire, but then i clicked on the link and it's literally as you say.

                                    why do i have a feeling this is not really about security?

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                                    • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                                      Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                                      * enable developer options
                                      * confirm that you are not tricked
                                      * restart phone and re-authenticate
                                      * wait one day
                                      * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                                      * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                                      * confirm that you accept the risks
                                      * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                                      https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                                      #218

                                      @grote this really amps up linux phones. android was already a pain in the ass, what's the point of using it with all that? Might as well get the cheap apple phones

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                                      • confusomu@twoot.siteC confusomu@twoot.site

                                        @nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote Unfortunately, you cannot do complete backups of android devices if you are not rooted. You may have a phone in use currently, which you didn't have the foresight to bootloader unlock and root when you initially got it, and thus installing any custom ROM is not very interesting as you would loose a large part of your data. The part of the data that you would lose is unknown as app/phone backups are opaque, and might also result in losing access to some messaging applications if not done carefully. In the best case, you would have a second phone from which to transfer data from, as a reference (and for messaging apps that can transfer accounts between devices).
                                        At least, that's how I see it. The process itself is easy, but the steps before and after are much more scary.

                                        In all, I do agree with your initial premise that LineageOS and other custom ROMs will become more popular for those that have android headsets that have unlockable bootloaders and have the initial knowhow.
                                        We do seriously need more alternatives to Android and iOS, such as postmarketOS, as the current state of things is getting very dire. Unfortunately, the hardware itself is not very standardised and manufacturers want to keep control to squeeze a few more cents from each device…

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                                        #219

                                        @confusomu @FifiSch @grote Honestly just feels like a whole lot of "I don't want to, it sounds hard." Which is just what all these posts feel like.

                                        If you don't divest from Google, it stores backups in your account — the "cloud" if you will. If you do want to divest from Google, you can set it up to use the internal backup function that's in like 9 or so on up to backup to a flash drive or whatever, which it can import during initial configuration when you first boot up.

                                        But really there is a lot less to lose in most apps than one might think. It's usually so little trouble to redo things I typically don't bother even though I have root and backups. There are benefits even to starting clean.

                                        People want to be scared of the process.

                                        As always, one can ask someone to help!

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                                        • raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie

                                          @kevinrns @utf_7 @grote
                                          That won't work.

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                                          #220

                                          @raymaccarthy @utf_7 @grote

                                          I found a credit union in one quick search that allows at least some browser access ...

                                          This is a fight, find allies. Credit unions are better than banks, many much better.

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