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  • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

    From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

    “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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    #89

    @overholt These assholes want you to pay for the knowledge within these texts. Something you could borrow from a library will now cost you money per word, cap you out when they think you've read too much, track what you're reading, censor whatever they want. Fascist pigs.

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    • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

      From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

      “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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      #90

      @overholt
      In my opinion, John, the paragraph you've quoted about Ai "migrating the value" of books by stealing their content for Ai use and then destroying them, is:
      1) Incredibly self-serving to an absurd level.
      2) A glaring unintentional self-own about gen-Ai's predatory nature.
      3) Hubris on a level that is scarier than any horror movie I have ever seen.
      4) A direct outcome of letting people become billionaires who see nothing wrong with using the rest of us as lab rats.
      5) Clear evidence that capitalists require greater regulation or they're going to kill us all.
      #GenAi #Capitalism #Books

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      • sennoma@chaos.socialS sennoma@chaos.social

        @overholt I have rarely seen such weak, sanctimonious, disingenuous drivel; nor ever wanted so badly to stab its author.

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        #91

        @sennoma @overholt
        "Its author," in this case, is probably Ai, Mr Human Capital.
        Bong hits 4 dystopia.
        Morse v Frederick, 2007.

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        • shadows@beige.partyS shadows@beige.party

          @librarymonster @overholt seems implicit given everything we’ve seen with AI and layoffs and everything else.

          “A physical being is a delivery mechanism for skilled labor. Once those skills have been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is blood, bone, and binding material. The being is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The being returns to the material cycle; the skills enter the production one.”

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          #92

          @shadows @overholt omg dude exactly - this gave me chills

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          • dukeboitans@mas.toD dukeboitans@mas.to

            @overholt That's something only a sociopath would say.

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            #93

            @dukeboitans @overholt this this this. 💯

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            • kosure@mas.toK kosure@mas.to

              @overholt Is also a ghoulish pull quote. "these greedy SOBs already got paid. We put their information into a black box and you have to pay us a recurring fee to access it."

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              #94

              @overholt What if we took a library, and pasted on top the worst aspects of a book store. And also everything inside it COULD BE WRONG

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              • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

                “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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                #95

                @overholt
                I expect they'll be shredding the contents of the Louvre next...

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                • angiebaby@mas.toA angiebaby@mas.to

                  @overholt

                  "A human is a delivery mechanism for productivity. Once that productivity has been extracted and converted into profits, the delivery mechanism has served it's purpose. What remains is organs, bones and viscera. The human is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The body returns to the earth; the profits enter the CEO's financial portfolio."

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                  #96

                  @angiebaby @overholt

                  .... except for the fact that human productivity is essentially unlimited, and is capable of being offered freely, or exchanged fairly and cooperatively, without exploitative extraction by predators.

                  The best human life excludes, as much as possible, interaction with publicly traded, or private equity funded, companies.

                  The only industries which Socialists need to nationalize are those which are required for civil integration .... health, education, housing, power, communications, fresh water, sanitation, and banking .... for essential starters.

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                  • remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR remittancegirl@mstdn.social

                    @kimlockhartga They don't give a fuck about a massive interruption of OUR access to data. In fact, I'm quite sure they are banking on it. It will hike the price of access.

                    We are much more manipulatable and gullible without all that 'culture' stuff. Remember how much easier it was to manage illiterate peasants?

                    What they can't conceive of is a massive erasure of data. Because they cannot conceive it might ever happen to them. Which is emblematic of their psychopathy.

                    @overholt

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                    #97

                    @Remittancegirl @kimlockhartga @overholt "Unlicensed knowledge is piracy."

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                    • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                      From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

                      “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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                      #98

                      @overholt Also from the article: "Anthropic described the project as 'our effort to disruptively scan all the world’s books' in an internal memo, which noted 'we do not want it to be known that we are pursuing this project'."

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                        #99

                        @ashwin @datarama @angiebaby @overholt "Fungible capital human assets," at a few places.

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                        • aehoogestraat@glammr.usA aehoogestraat@glammr.us

                          @overholt The differences I see between older fiction paperbacks and their ebooks is enough to make me question any digital version of an older print book. It even happens with movies. I don't trust the information to not be manipulated anymore.

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                          #100

                          @aehoogestraat @overholt goose is valued by cooking it (and then wondering why there isn't any more supply of golden eggs)

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                          • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                            From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

                            “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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                            #101

                            @overholt
                            this is like saying that a human
                            being is an arrangement of
                            oxygen, hydrogen, carbon, and
                            other elements.

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                            • whoosh@neuromatch.socialW whoosh@neuromatch.social

                              @angiebaby @overholt

                              .... except for the fact that human productivity is essentially unlimited, and is capable of being offered freely, or exchanged fairly and cooperatively, without exploitative extraction by predators.

                              The best human life excludes, as much as possible, interaction with publicly traded, or private equity funded, companies.

                              The only industries which Socialists need to nationalize are those which are required for civil integration .... health, education, housing, power, communications, fresh water, sanitation, and banking .... for essential starters.

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                              #102

                              @whoosh @overholt

                              Missed the point entirely, but I tend to expect that from mansplainers.

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                              • fragarach@social.vivaldi.netF fragarach@social.vivaldi.net

                                @overholt
                                I expect they'll be shredding the contents of the Louvre next...

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                                #103

                                @Fragarach There's precedent: Mireille Breitwieser.

                                Strangely, despite the initial assessments, it seems like the 2025 Louvre heist's gang didn't rush to melt their loot down into nameless gold.

                                @overholt

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                                • guillotine_jones@beige.partyG guillotine_jones@beige.party

                                  @overholt
                                  In my opinion, John, the paragraph you've quoted about Ai "migrating the value" of books by stealing their content for Ai use and then destroying them, is:
                                  1) Incredibly self-serving to an absurd level.
                                  2) A glaring unintentional self-own about gen-Ai's predatory nature.
                                  3) Hubris on a level that is scarier than any horror movie I have ever seen.
                                  4) A direct outcome of letting people become billionaires who see nothing wrong with using the rest of us as lab rats.
                                  5) Clear evidence that capitalists require greater regulation or they're going to kill us all.
                                  #GenAi #Capitalism #Books

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                                  #104

                                  @Guillotine_Jones It's also probably genAI-generated, reaching a previously unreachable level of 'self-serving'.

                                  @overholt

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                                  • riley@toot.catR riley@toot.cat

                                    @Guillotine_Jones It's also probably genAI-generated, reaching a previously unreachable level of 'self-serving'.

                                    @overholt

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                                    #105

                                    @riley @Guillotine_Jones @overholt Actually, that language pretty much comes from dicta in the federal court decision allowing one AI company to settle copyright infringement claims for $1.6 billion. That decision said that the only way around such claims is to destroy the physical book after extracting the information, because then you're not stealing, you're transforming. An absolutely unintended consequence on the court's part, but the AI companies all are running with it.

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                                    • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                                      From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

                                      “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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                                      #106

                                      @overholt I am hanging on to all of my print reference books so that when AI garbles the content of its ingested books, I still have a touchstone for reality.

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                                      • thvv@social.vivaldi.netT thvv@social.vivaldi.net

                                        @overholt
                                        this is like saying that a human
                                        being is an arrangement of
                                        oxygen, hydrogen, carbon, and
                                        other elements.

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                                        #107

                                        @thvv @overholt

                                        It sounds like what late Philosopher Daniel Dennett would have called a "deepity".

                                        from wikipedia

                                        "(a deepity is) a statement that has two meanings: one that is true but trivial, and another that sounds profound and would be important if true, but is actually false or meaningless. "

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                                        • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                                          From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

                                          “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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                                          #108

                                          @overholt this is so horrible, what a fucked up timeline. 🫂

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