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  3. finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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  • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

    finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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    #23

    @loriemerson I'm not keen on rule 2: often the current tool's problems include being too small to operate well.

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    • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

      @publius Slavery was recognized at the time it was practiced as an abomination by all decent people.

      History classes just teach the awful people of their times as though they were the only ones whose opinions counted.

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      #24

      @dalias that's just a sad little troll, making a pathetic attempt to shit on someone else's post.

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      • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

        finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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        #25

        @loriemerson Nothing about durability. Point 6 only gets partway there.

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        • libroraptor@mastodon.nzL libroraptor@mastodon.nz

          @loriemerson I'm not keen on rule 2: often the current tool's problems include being too small to operate well.

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          #26

          @libroraptor @loriemerson Yeah, smaller isn't necessarily better.

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          • aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.orgA aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.org

            @loriemerson 10. Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text.

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            #27

            @aakoskin @loriemerson the text is in the image description you numpty.

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            • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

              finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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              #28

              @loriemerson amazing - I tracked down the source. Thanks for this! 🙇‍♀️✌️💙

              Why I Am Not Going to Buy a Computer
              Wendell Berry
              New England Review and Bread Loaf Quarterly
              Vol. 10, No. 1 (Autumn, 1987), pp. 112-113 (2 pages)
              Published By: Middlebury College Publications

              https://www.jstor.org/stable/40241890

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              • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                #29

                @loriemerson yeah that’s a fantasy list that doesn’t exist anymore lol

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                • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                  finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                  #30

                  @loriemerson wow, current vibe-coded software tools fail almost every one of these standards.

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                  • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                    finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                    #31

                    @loriemerson

                    I like to go to original sources, so here's a link via @Kottke.org...

                    https://classes.matthewjbrown.net/teaching-files/philtech/berry-computer.pdf

                    https://kottke.org/25/05/nine-rules-for-evaluating-new-technology

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                    • aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.orgA aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.org

                      @loriemerson 10. Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text.

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                      #32

                      @aakoskin @loriemerson

                      "Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text."

                      For a simple list like the above. I agree.

                      I suspect that there is a "plain text penalty" for words/ideas without imagery in social media, but I'm not up on the trends, rules, or research in that domain.

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                      • nickrauchen@c.imN nickrauchen@c.im

                        @aakoskin @loriemerson

                        "Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text."

                        For a simple list like the above. I agree.

                        I suspect that there is a "plain text penalty" for words/ideas without imagery in social media, but I'm not up on the trends, rules, or research in that domain.

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                        #33

                        @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

                        Might run out of characters. Default mastodon limit is 500. I've done text images to get around the limit.

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                        • lxskllr@mastodon.worldL lxskllr@mastodon.world

                          @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

                          Might run out of characters. Default mastodon limit is 500. I've done text images to get around the limit.

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                          #34

                          @lxskllr @nickrauchen @aakoskin I am having trouble wrapping my head why the format of my post is worth anyone commenting on - the text is in the image. it's not elegant but I wanted to give a screenshot of the exact text I was reading from Harper's. surely there are more important things to discuss here, and in general, than policing precisely how people post

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                          • lxskllr@mastodon.worldL lxskllr@mastodon.world

                            @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

                            Might run out of characters. Default mastodon limit is 500. I've done text images to get around the limit.

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                            #35

                            @lxskllr @aakoskin @loriemerson

                            I think the char limit varies on #Mastodon depending on server, client, etc.

                            Something textual that is "long form" can be threaded, yes?

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                            • nickrauchen@c.imN nickrauchen@c.im

                              @lxskllr @aakoskin @loriemerson

                              I think the char limit varies on #Mastodon depending on server, client, etc.

                              Something textual that is "long form" can be threaded, yes?

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                              #36

                              @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

                              It can, but threaded posts are kind of annoying imo. Sometimes it's better to have everything in one view.

                              I say that someone who does a minimum of one threaded post every day :^D

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                              • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                                @lxskllr @nickrauchen @aakoskin I am having trouble wrapping my head why the format of my post is worth anyone commenting on - the text is in the image. it's not elegant but I wanted to give a screenshot of the exact text I was reading from Harper's. surely there are more important things to discuss here, and in general, than policing precisely how people post

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                                #37

                                @loriemerson @lxskllr @aakoskin

                                Speaking as a reader of your post, I'd rather have the text than a picture of the text. In this case I think all/most of the content was in the alt text, which is good but may be hidden for some (depends on the UI).

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                                • lxskllr@mastodon.worldL lxskllr@mastodon.world

                                  @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

                                  It can, but threaded posts are kind of annoying imo. Sometimes it's better to have everything in one view.

                                  I say that someone who does a minimum of one threaded post every day :^D

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                                  #38

                                  @lxskllr @aakoskin @loriemerson

                                  Threading in #Mastodon is pretty clunky I agree. I can't remember much about it, but in old-school #twitter there was an obvious "Continue" or "Next" button for threading. The server I'm currently on has a much larger char limit so it has not been an issue. The main reason I thread anything is for topics like travel logs that unfold over time.

                                  Then there's just being kind to your readers... keep things simple, short, and concise. An ideal I am sometimes not able to achieve even with good intentions. 🙂

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                                  • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                                    finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                                    #39

                                    @loriemerson the Wendellian laws should be international law

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                                    • nickrauchen@c.imN nickrauchen@c.im

                                      @lxskllr @aakoskin @loriemerson

                                      Threading in #Mastodon is pretty clunky I agree. I can't remember much about it, but in old-school #twitter there was an obvious "Continue" or "Next" button for threading. The server I'm currently on has a much larger char limit so it has not been an issue. The main reason I thread anything is for topics like travel logs that unfold over time.

                                      Then there's just being kind to your readers... keep things simple, short, and concise. An ideal I am sometimes not able to achieve even with good intentions. 🙂

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                                      #40

                                      @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

                                      "Then there's just being kind to your readers... keep things simple, short, and concise"

                                      That's what I like about my low character limit. It enforces brevity. It's also what I don't like about it. Double edged sword. Trying to work with limited resources is a good exercise, even if they can't always be adhered to 100%.

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                                      • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                                        finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                                        #41

                                        @loriemerson Reading this makes me regret leaving behind my vintage copy of "The Unsettling of America" when I had to move. Berry is wonderful.

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                                        • aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.orgA aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.org

                                          @loriemerson 10. Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text.

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                                          #42

                                          @aakoskin 👎

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