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  3. finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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  • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

    finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

    kolev@babka.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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    #14

    @loriemerson I'd like to see some examples of good and bad tech based on these principles. I assume a solar-powered calculator is a good tech.

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    • earthshine@masto.hackers.townE earthshine@masto.hackers.town

      @loriemerson Yes 100% to all of this. Though I'm not entirely sure what they mean by "some form of solar energy" in that context... it sounds like they mean generally renewable or naturally abundant in the local environment?

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      #15

      @earthshine @loriemerson I think they mean it quite literally. The energy in us comes from our food, which gets it from the sun. Wind energy is also from the sun since it's the heat differences that drive the wind. If you take that idea to extremes fossil fuels are also solar but I don't think that's what they meant 🙂

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      • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

        finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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        #16

        @loriemerson

        How far back do you have to go, to find a time when many people would have agreed that slavery fell in the category of "family and community relationships", and was even among the most important? Technological innovation disrupted that, by separating the processing of chemical energy into mechanical work from the human body. I for one have no desire to go back.

        #atomicpowertothepeople

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        • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

          finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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          #17

          @loriemerson wonderful! Is there a website with more information and some context? Or a book?

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          • ah_99@mastodonapp.ukA ah_99@mastodonapp.uk

            @loriemerson
            So EVs are out then? 😉

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            #18

            @AH_99 e-SUVs are out, e-bikes very much in

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            • publius@mastodon.sdf.orgP publius@mastodon.sdf.org

              @loriemerson

              How far back do you have to go, to find a time when many people would have agreed that slavery fell in the category of "family and community relationships", and was even among the most important? Technological innovation disrupted that, by separating the processing of chemical energy into mechanical work from the human body. I for one have no desire to go back.

              #atomicpowertothepeople

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              #19

              @publius Slavery was recognized at the time it was practiced as an abomination by all decent people.

              History classes just teach the awful people of their times as though they were the only ones whose opinions counted.

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              • earthshine@masto.hackers.townE earthshine@masto.hackers.town

                @loriemerson Yes 100% to all of this. Though I'm not entirely sure what they mean by "some form of solar energy" in that context... it sounds like they mean generally renewable or naturally abundant in the local environment?

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                #20

                @earthshine @loriemerson Yeah, powered by burning wood or vegetation, or a combustion engine running pure ethanol..maybe even incinerating mountains of bioplastics... 🙂

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                • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                  finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                  #21

                  @loriemerson This is a great list!!

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                  • ai6yr@m.ai6yr.orgA ai6yr@m.ai6yr.org

                    @loriemerson This is a great list!!

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                    #22

                    Wendell Berry rocks.

                    @ai6yr @loriemerson

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                    • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                      finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                      #23

                      @loriemerson I'm not keen on rule 2: often the current tool's problems include being too small to operate well.

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                      • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                        @publius Slavery was recognized at the time it was practiced as an abomination by all decent people.

                        History classes just teach the awful people of their times as though they were the only ones whose opinions counted.

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                        #24

                        @dalias that's just a sad little troll, making a pathetic attempt to shit on someone else's post.

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                        • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                          finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                          #25

                          @loriemerson Nothing about durability. Point 6 only gets partway there.

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                          • libroraptor@mastodon.nzL libroraptor@mastodon.nz

                            @loriemerson I'm not keen on rule 2: often the current tool's problems include being too small to operate well.

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                            #26

                            @libroraptor @loriemerson Yeah, smaller isn't necessarily better.

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                            • aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.orgA aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.org

                              @loriemerson 10. Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text.

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                              #27

                              @aakoskin @loriemerson the text is in the image description you numpty.

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                              • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                                finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                                #28

                                @loriemerson amazing - I tracked down the source. Thanks for this! 🙇‍♀️✌️💙

                                Why I Am Not Going to Buy a Computer
                                Wendell Berry
                                New England Review and Bread Loaf Quarterly
                                Vol. 10, No. 1 (Autumn, 1987), pp. 112-113 (2 pages)
                                Published By: Middlebury College Publications

                                https://www.jstor.org/stable/40241890

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                                • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                                  finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                                  #29

                                  @loriemerson yeah that’s a fantasy list that doesn’t exist anymore lol

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                                  • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                                    finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                                    #30

                                    @loriemerson wow, current vibe-coded software tools fail almost every one of these standards.

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                                    • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                                      finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                                      #31

                                      @loriemerson

                                      I like to go to original sources, so here's a link via @Kottke.org...

                                      https://classes.matthewjbrown.net/teaching-files/philtech/berry-computer.pdf

                                      https://kottke.org/25/05/nine-rules-for-evaluating-new-technology

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                                      • aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.orgA aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.org

                                        @loriemerson 10. Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text.

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                                        #32

                                        @aakoskin @loriemerson

                                        "Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text."

                                        For a simple list like the above. I agree.

                                        I suspect that there is a "plain text penalty" for words/ideas without imagery in social media, but I'm not up on the trends, rules, or research in that domain.

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                                        • nickrauchen@c.imN nickrauchen@c.im

                                          @aakoskin @loriemerson

                                          "Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text."

                                          For a simple list like the above. I agree.

                                          I suspect that there is a "plain text penalty" for words/ideas without imagery in social media, but I'm not up on the trends, rules, or research in that domain.

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                                          #33

                                          @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

                                          Might run out of characters. Default mastodon limit is 500. I've done text images to get around the limit.

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