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  • mihamarkic@mastodon.socialM mihamarkic@mastodon.social

    @joacim @randahl 10%? That's huge relative to Slovenia where it sits around 0 give or take. And this is indeed one of the requirements for massive EV adoption which is pretty much ignored.

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    #24

    @mihamarkic
    Dunno how the roads are around your place, but you can charge an e-bike at home and it will replace some of your car trips. But you probably thought about that 😃

    I'm just a little excited about the possibilities of the fossil car to e-bike transition 😄
    @joacim @randahl

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    • mihamarkic@mastodon.socialM mihamarkic@mastodon.social

      @rubbel @joacim @randahl A little like chicken and egg situation.

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      #25

      @mihamarkic @rubbel @joacim @randahl

      there's a new thing in #China where you drive up, a machine swaps out your dead batteries for fresh ones, and on you drive

      less time than it takes to fill your car up with gas at a pump

      kind of like how we swap empty for full propane tanks for our backyard grill

      this could be the way forward

      it even saves gas stations from extinction

      range and charging time/ availability is the big problem with #EV

      this idea solves that problem

      https://www.npr.org/2026/04/18/nx-s1-5788990/ev-battery-charge-long-china-nio

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      • cauzation@mastodon.socialC cauzation@mastodon.social

        @randahl Please place ultimate responsibility on the roots: #FossilFuels leaders, who buy-off politicians, religious leaders, and royal families, in oppressing the people.

        Until a #TippingPoint of concentrated momentum is accurately heaped upon those most guilty, the weight will continue to cause more and more pain and suffering, for those least culpable.

        #ScalesOfJustice for #sustainability

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        #26

        @cauZation @randahl

        right but there's blame placing, and solving the problem

        i am not saying we should not seek justice

        but i am saying we should not stand in the way of solving the problem in our desire for justice

        we should do both

        solve the problem, and apportion proper blame

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        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

          @mihamarkic @rubbel @joacim @randahl

          there's a new thing in #China where you drive up, a machine swaps out your dead batteries for fresh ones, and on you drive

          less time than it takes to fill your car up with gas at a pump

          kind of like how we swap empty for full propane tanks for our backyard grill

          this could be the way forward

          it even saves gas stations from extinction

          range and charging time/ availability is the big problem with #EV

          this idea solves that problem

          https://www.npr.org/2026/04/18/nx-s1-5788990/ev-battery-charge-long-china-nio

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          #27

          @benroyce @mihamarkic @rubbel @joacim @randahl

          This is especially useful for electric scooters with little batteries you can just pop in and out.

          Eg https://www.gogoro.com/gogoro-network/

          You can set up the chargers with their own solar panels too.

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          • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

            First quarter electric car market share by year in Denmark:

            2024: 41 percent
            2025: 66 percent
            2026: 80 percent

            This is Middle Eastern dictators losing their power year by year.

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            #28

            @randahl Well done, Danes!

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            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

              @mihamarkic @rubbel @joacim @randahl

              there's a new thing in #China where you drive up, a machine swaps out your dead batteries for fresh ones, and on you drive

              less time than it takes to fill your car up with gas at a pump

              kind of like how we swap empty for full propane tanks for our backyard grill

              this could be the way forward

              it even saves gas stations from extinction

              range and charging time/ availability is the big problem with #EV

              this idea solves that problem

              https://www.npr.org/2026/04/18/nx-s1-5788990/ev-battery-charge-long-china-nio

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              #29

              @benroyce @rubbel @joacim @randahl This tech appears here and there but so far it doesn't stick since car manufacturers prefer integrated non removable battery. AFAIK even Tesla tried this way only to forget about it soon after. It'd require battery standardization if nothing else, but there is zero will 🤷

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              • mihamarkic@mastodon.socialM mihamarkic@mastodon.social

                @benroyce @rubbel @joacim @randahl This tech appears here and there but so far it doesn't stick since car manufacturers prefer integrated non removable battery. AFAIK even Tesla tried this way only to forget about it soon after. It'd require battery standardization if nothing else, but there is zero will 🤷

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                #30

                @mihamarkic @rubbel @joacim @randahl

                correct, zero will now

                but the kind of thing that could grow some will

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                • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                  @mihamarkic @rubbel @joacim @randahl

                  there's a new thing in #China where you drive up, a machine swaps out your dead batteries for fresh ones, and on you drive

                  less time than it takes to fill your car up with gas at a pump

                  kind of like how we swap empty for full propane tanks for our backyard grill

                  this could be the way forward

                  it even saves gas stations from extinction

                  range and charging time/ availability is the big problem with #EV

                  this idea solves that problem

                  https://www.npr.org/2026/04/18/nx-s1-5788990/ev-battery-charge-long-china-nio

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                  #31

                  @benroyce @mihamarkic @rubbel @joacim @randahl I’m a fan of anything that convinces people to move away from gas vehicles.

                  That said, there’s a huge misunderstanding about how to make EVs convenient. People need to stop thinking of EVs as cars that fill slowly, and understand that they are cars that fill up passively. Anytime in EV is parked it can charge. THAT is the real convenience. These are cars that can use a regular outlet to just be full ALWAYS.

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                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                    @mihamarkic @rubbel @joacim @randahl

                    there's a new thing in #China where you drive up, a machine swaps out your dead batteries for fresh ones, and on you drive

                    less time than it takes to fill your car up with gas at a pump

                    kind of like how we swap empty for full propane tanks for our backyard grill

                    this could be the way forward

                    it even saves gas stations from extinction

                    range and charging time/ availability is the big problem with #EV

                    this idea solves that problem

                    https://www.npr.org/2026/04/18/nx-s1-5788990/ev-battery-charge-long-china-nio

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                    #32

                    @benroyce
                    the idea and prototypes by Peugot, Renault in France is not new. And in China it isn't new either.
                    @mihamarkic @rubbel @joacim @randahl

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                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                      @mihamarkic @rubbel @joacim @randahl

                      there's a new thing in #China where you drive up, a machine swaps out your dead batteries for fresh ones, and on you drive

                      less time than it takes to fill your car up with gas at a pump

                      kind of like how we swap empty for full propane tanks for our backyard grill

                      this could be the way forward

                      it even saves gas stations from extinction

                      range and charging time/ availability is the big problem with #EV

                      this idea solves that problem

                      https://www.npr.org/2026/04/18/nx-s1-5788990/ev-battery-charge-long-china-nio

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                      #33

                      @benroyce

                      This stuff is patented (see https://patents.google.com/patent/US12187155B2/en and https://patents.google.com/patent/US8164300B2/en?oq=US8164300B2) but there are others as well. Tesla refused to license the patent(s) and so for the initial growth of EVs this wouldn't happen. In China they are more competitive and this area has recently seen a lot of innovation.

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                      • theejj@mastodon.socialT theejj@mastodon.social

                        @benroyce @mihamarkic @rubbel @joacim @randahl I’m a fan of anything that convinces people to move away from gas vehicles.

                        That said, there’s a huge misunderstanding about how to make EVs convenient. People need to stop thinking of EVs as cars that fill slowly, and understand that they are cars that fill up passively. Anytime in EV is parked it can charge. THAT is the real convenience. These are cars that can use a regular outlet to just be full ALWAYS.

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                        #34

                        @TheEjj @benroyce @mihamarkic @rubbel @joacim @randahl

                        Which means workplaces like INCO (now Vale) in Sudbury that have outlets for block heaters in the winter can allow their use for slow EV charging all year round.

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                        • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                          @mihamarkic @rubbel @joacim @randahl

                          there's a new thing in #China where you drive up, a machine swaps out your dead batteries for fresh ones, and on you drive

                          less time than it takes to fill your car up with gas at a pump

                          kind of like how we swap empty for full propane tanks for our backyard grill

                          this could be the way forward

                          it even saves gas stations from extinction

                          range and charging time/ availability is the big problem with #EV

                          this idea solves that problem

                          https://www.npr.org/2026/04/18/nx-s1-5788990/ev-battery-charge-long-china-nio

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                          #35

                          @benroyce not really new, look it up on wiki (1896!). The thing is: battery life is an issue for many car owners. With swapping you might get a less healthy battery in return, or perhaps you don’t own it. So it makes you dependent on a company (whereas EV driving makes you less dependent overall, as you can charge at home)
                          @mihamarkic @rubbel @joacim @randahl

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                          • cejjacobs@mastodon.socialC cejjacobs@mastodon.social

                            @benroyce not really new, look it up on wiki (1896!). The thing is: battery life is an issue for many car owners. With swapping you might get a less healthy battery in return, or perhaps you don’t own it. So it makes you dependent on a company (whereas EV driving makes you less dependent overall, as you can charge at home)
                            @mihamarkic @rubbel @joacim @randahl

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                            #36

                            @cejjacobs @mihamarkic @rubbel @joacim @randahl

                            why not both?

                            the battery swap just for long drives/ time sensitive/ people who live where they can't charge easily

                            otherwise, you can swap batteries, and charge from home

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                            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                              @cejjacobs @mihamarkic @rubbel @joacim @randahl

                              why not both?

                              the battery swap just for long drives/ time sensitive/ people who live where they can't charge easily

                              otherwise, you can swap batteries, and charge from home

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                              #37

                              @benroyce fast charging is improving every year, but even on “slow speed” (50-150kW), you’re charging faster than you can use the loo and drink a coffee. And it’s good to take some rest on long journeys! (There is a limit on what truck drivers may drive with a reason!)

                              Besides, on longer trips you try to only charge what’s needed, no use in arriving with more than a few percent in your battery 😇

                              @mihamarkic @rubbel @joacim @randahl

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                              • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                                First quarter electric car market share by year in Denmark:

                                2024: 41 percent
                                2025: 66 percent
                                2026: 80 percent

                                This is Middle Eastern dictators losing their power year by year.

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                                @randahl have you considered asking your Mastodon admins to moderate signups so people can't use your server for spam?

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                                • cejjacobs@mastodon.socialC cejjacobs@mastodon.social

                                  @benroyce fast charging is improving every year, but even on “slow speed” (50-150kW), you’re charging faster than you can use the loo and drink a coffee. And it’s good to take some rest on long journeys! (There is a limit on what truck drivers may drive with a reason!)

                                  Besides, on longer trips you try to only charge what’s needed, no use in arriving with more than a few percent in your battery 😇

                                  @mihamarkic @rubbel @joacim @randahl

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                                  #39

                                  @cejjacobs @benroyce @mihamarkic @rubbel @joacim @randahl .... yeah, has someone who's owned an EV for the last couple of years and who makes semi regular trips that are longer than a full battery, I don't know that I agree with you here.

                                  it's something that needs to be planned around, it is an irritation certainly. however, it's an irritation I am happy to have for a car that is better in every other way.

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                                  • saarmuller@mastodon.socialS saarmuller@mastodon.social

                                    @Eetschrijver I suppose you have the luxury to charge your car at your house? Here in #Amsterdam infrastructure for electric cars runs far behind and the network in the #Netherlands has serious capacity problems. The individual choice isn't as simple as it seems here in particular if you need an invalid parking spot. I refuse to be called "stark crazy" for a choice I didn't have. @randahl

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                                    #40

                                    @saarmuller @randahl It is true that especially corporations in the Netherlands have been sorely amiss to anticipate on a development that has been a long time coming. I'm sorry y'all are now paying the price for that. Being able to charge one's EV in the vicinity of one's home ought not to be a luxury any more than being able to plug in a washer or tv is.

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                                    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                      @mihamarkic @rubbel @joacim @randahl

                                      correct, zero will now

                                      but the kind of thing that could grow some will

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                                      #41

                                      @benroyce @mihamarkic @rubbel @joacim @randahl

                                      Nio tried this in Denmark, and it failed pretty quickly. There are a number of issues, and the first has already been detailed above - no one wants to get a heavily worn battery in their new car when they swap.

                                      That can be fixed if you do not own the battery, but rent it instead. In that case a lower performance may be a nuisance, but not a financial burden.

                                      However, what happens if you want to sell the car, and the potential new owner lives far away from a swapping station? Still rent the battery for a signifikant monthly fee, even if you never or rarely get to use the swapping feature? We hade ONE swapping station in Denmark, so...

                                      Also, the Nio models that were on sale here in Denmark had pretty slow fast charging, so driving your car on vacation in countries without swapping stations was less than ideal, compared to a car with a fixed battery.

                                      Considering that the latest batteries from both CATL and BYD have sub-10 minutes charging times on sufficiently capable fast chargers, I don't see battery swapping going anywhere - it was a stop-gap measure while battery charging was comparably slow. Now? - a solution looking for a problem that has already been solved.

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