They pay $34 for burgers.
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@CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke
Most American thing is making 100 people suffer to avoid 1 freeloader.
@gbargoud @aj @CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke I remember hearing stories about Americans who, when donating an old coat to charity, would cut the buttons off first so that the charity recipient who got it didn’t feel too cocky about their new, unearned clothes
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What does this have to do with free childcare or free school? Or more accurately, public childcare or public school?
Well, in the United States, public schools are funded by local taxes of the community that the school is in. This creates a situation where the best schools are near the most expensive houses, not where the most students are, or where the best schools are needed.
This has a concentrating effect, where people buy expensive houses near good schools, which drives up the price of houses, which produces more money for the school district, which makes the schools better, which drives up the price of houses... ♾️
This is a free school in a rich part of the US:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm4dy25VmCwThis is a free school in a poor part of the US:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nD3P-utKYZ0A homeless Black woman wanted her child to go to school, so she had to list an address. She listed her child's babysitter's address. This qualified her child to go to a good school. But the school district found out about it. What do you think they did?
a) Let the child keep going to the school
b) Force the child to transfer to a school in a district with her homeless shelter
c) charge the mother with a felony, convict her, giving her a five year prison sentence, and causing her to lose custody of her childForgive me, I take things literally. I assumed the debate was about funding a fire service.
Thank you for sharing the tragedy of the situation, which is cruel and horrific.
I genuinely cannot understand why people don't want to share. Don't want others to have the same good things in life that they have or had. Or want to deny or take away these things from others.
You don't know me, but I wish all of this for you and yours. And I wish you peace and joy, today and always.
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Forgive me, I take things literally. I assumed the debate was about funding a fire service.
Thank you for sharing the tragedy of the situation, which is cruel and horrific.
I genuinely cannot understand why people don't want to share. Don't want others to have the same good things in life that they have or had. Or want to deny or take away these things from others.
You don't know me, but I wish all of this for you and yours. And I wish you peace and joy, today and always.
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@gbargoud @CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke
Also, we'll spend way more money to check that no one is free loading than it would cost to just let those 4 people who don't strictly *need* it, have it.
@CStamp @gbargoud @mekkaokereke @jennifer @realtegan
And has been pointed out so many times: the right would rather 100 suffered than let 1 benefit when they are judged unworthy where the left would rather 100 benefited when perhaps they aren’t truly eligible than let 1 suffer. In the UK the return from prosecuting tax fraud is huge: but what do we prioritise?
I’m convinced by the argument that cruelty is the point
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@CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke
Most American thing is making 100 people suffer to avoid 1 freeloader.
@gbargoud @CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke
Harm is primary to racism.Why help 99 white poor people and one Black person when you can harm the Black person. Racists believe the Black person must not be able to stand. It’s pure irrational fear of a 180 flip and them being enslaved. They mirror how they are onto how others will be.
All other instances, including on all whites, stem from this being set as a mental model of how to operate.
The model isn’t challenged on the poor because it would led to the same question on the colour, and remember, harm to Blacks IS the point. The route of poverty in the US is racism.
It is all, what magicians would call, ‘misdirection’.
As long as the core philosophy is on splitting society and not building the American Dream, you will get questions on freeloading.
Side note. There are no freeloaders to basic human rights.
We the people.
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@CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke
Most American thing is making 100 people suffer to avoid 1 freeloader.
@gbargoud @CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke but of course, not the freeloaders in charge of everything, no, just the imaginary freeloader they point at who works 2000% harder than a billionaire ever had to.
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@mekkaokereke
When school lunch programs throw out the "who deserves to get free lunches?" and just provide for every child, the entire program is cheaper due to the lack of an enforcement layer, all children get fed, and children learn more and pay attention better.Being overly concerned that someone might get something they don't "deserve" usually ends up screwing over the ones who need help most.
We're supposed to "promote the general welfare" of the public - not gate-keep who gets help.
@realtegan @mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io As stated in another thread, there’s a nasty tendency to be willing to make hundreds suffer to prevent one, perhaps illusory, freeloader
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They pay $34 for burgers. Should their fire department service be free? Opening a new fire department in one of NYC's richest neighborhoods has some of America's pettiest journalists asking silly questions in headlines again.
The article acknowledges the fire department analogy, then blows past it.
️The solve for "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out," is "Address that racism."
It's not "Therefore waste incredible amounts of time and money trying to means test something that society should just make available to all.
"Some of NYC's poorest people WORK in the wealthiest neighborhoods. And although there is income segregation in NYC it's never absolute. There are poor people in every single neighborhood.
But also the best way to ensure a public service is high quality is to make it so everyone uses it. Things just "for the poor" tend to slowly become terrible.
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They pay $34 for burgers. Should their fire department service be free? Opening a new fire department in one of NYC's richest neighborhoods has some of America's pettiest journalists asking silly questions in headlines again.
The article acknowledges the fire department analogy, then blows past it.
️The solve for "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out," is "Address that racism."
It's not "Therefore waste incredible amounts of time and money trying to means test something that society should just make available to all.
"At this point I respond to this stuff with. "It's not gonna work. We're still raising your taxes. Frankly, I'd do it and burn the money at this point."
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@mekkaokereke
When school lunch programs throw out the "who deserves to get free lunches?" and just provide for every child, the entire program is cheaper due to the lack of an enforcement layer, all children get fed, and children learn more and pay attention better.Being overly concerned that someone might get something they don't "deserve" usually ends up screwing over the ones who need help most.
We're supposed to "promote the general welfare" of the public - not gate-keep who gets help.
@realtegan the Black Panthers provided free school meals. That was effective. And that was why the government criminalized them. @mekkaokereke
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They pay $34 for burgers. Should their fire department service be free? Opening a new fire department in one of NYC's richest neighborhoods has some of America's pettiest journalists asking silly questions in headlines again.
The article acknowledges the fire department analogy, then blows past it.
️The solve for "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out," is "Address that racism."
It's not "Therefore waste incredible amounts of time and money trying to means test something that society should just make available to all.
"Also with how expensive food is IDK if "$34 burger" has the sting it once had.
You can spend $34 at the groceries and only have like four items in a tiny bag, maybe enough for two meals. $34 burger probably means everything is too expensive even less fancy options.
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Also with how expensive food is IDK if "$34 burger" has the sting it once had.
You can spend $34 at the groceries and only have like four items in a tiny bag, maybe enough for two meals. $34 burger probably means everything is too expensive even less fancy options.
The $34 burger isn't the alien concept it once was because food is just that expensive. You want to eat at a restaurant? Get delivery and have the burger be ... good? It's going to cost.
So is the theory that everyone should eat canned cabbage and potatoes boiled at home?
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They pay $34 for burgers. Should their fire department service be free? Opening a new fire department in one of NYC's richest neighborhoods has some of America's pettiest journalists asking silly questions in headlines again.
The article acknowledges the fire department analogy, then blows past it.
️The solve for "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out," is "Address that racism."
It's not "Therefore waste incredible amounts of time and money trying to means test something that society should just make available to all.
"Sorry for so many replies but the more I think about this the more it annoys me. What does a $34 burger represent here? It represents living well in a somewhat modest way. Having enough money to get things you enjoy that are maybe a little expensive if you feel like it now and then.
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Sorry for so many replies but the more I think about this the more it annoys me. What does a $34 burger represent here? It represents living well in a somewhat modest way. Having enough money to get things you enjoy that are maybe a little expensive if you feel like it now and then.
Now why exactly is a $34 burger incompatible with having excellent public services your pay for with taxes?
Schools aren't charity operations, this isn't a band-aid for the desperate. It's something people should look from other cities at and say "I wish my city had that"
Drop of your kids and trust they are safe AND learning while you are at work. Pick them up and have a $34 burger AND avocado toast. Let's live well together.
This must scare them to death.
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The $34 burger isn't the alien concept it once was because food is just that expensive. You want to eat at a restaurant? Get delivery and have the burger be ... good? It's going to cost.
So is the theory that everyone should eat canned cabbage and potatoes boiled at home?
@futurebird @mekkaokereke the UK has been at this a little longer than the US and sadly the answer is "yes."
Lee Anderson is the worst one for it but there's long been members of parliament suggesting people complaining about food prices live off what basically amounts to gruel. barley porridge, wheat biscuits, boiled rice with kidney beans, every single day, and the fact that The Poors are not doing this and complaining about being hungry is proof of their entitlement.
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@futurebird @mekkaokereke the UK has been at this a little longer than the US and sadly the answer is "yes."
Lee Anderson is the worst one for it but there's long been members of parliament suggesting people complaining about food prices live off what basically amounts to gruel. barley porridge, wheat biscuits, boiled rice with kidney beans, every single day, and the fact that The Poors are not doing this and complaining about being hungry is proof of their entitlement.
@PsyChuan @futurebird @mekkaokereke
If I'm not mistaken, it was the NYT who published an article about stretching the food budget by having cereal for more meals wasn't it?
It was truly impressive rich people water carrying.
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They pay $34 for burgers. Should their fire department service be free? Opening a new fire department in one of NYC's richest neighborhoods has some of America's pettiest journalists asking silly questions in headlines again.
The article acknowledges the fire department analogy, then blows past it.
️The solve for "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out," is "Address that racism."
It's not "Therefore waste incredible amounts of time and money trying to means test something that society should just make available to all.
"@mekkaokereke I swear there must be some special type of American liberal that if you leave them five minutes alone with the task to implement a very simple socialdemocrat service that is commonplace in the rest of the world, they will misconstrue it in their head so badly that they will come back to you with a reinvention of segregation
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@mekkaokereke I swear there must be some special type of American liberal that if you leave them five minutes alone with the task to implement a very simple socialdemocrat service that is commonplace in the rest of the world, they will misconstrue it in their head so badly that they will come back to you with a reinvention of segregation
@mekkaokereke (this is not specifically only about this article, though it triggered my memory of this phenomenon. I shall never forget the time I saw California renewable energy guy vehemently insist that obviously wheelchairs should not be allowed into walkable cities but that'll be a price worth paying)
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They pay $34 for burgers. Should their fire department service be free? Opening a new fire department in one of NYC's richest neighborhoods has some of America's pettiest journalists asking silly questions in headlines again.
The article acknowledges the fire department analogy, then blows past it.
️The solve for "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out," is "Address that racism."
It's not "Therefore waste incredible amounts of time and money trying to means test something that society should just make available to all.
"@mekkaokereke
"They get paid good money for complaining that consumers of public services don't eat dirt, should journalists be allowed to drive on public roads?" -
Now why exactly is a $34 burger incompatible with having excellent public services your pay for with taxes?
Schools aren't charity operations, this isn't a band-aid for the desperate. It's something people should look from other cities at and say "I wish my city had that"
Drop of your kids and trust they are safe AND learning while you are at work. Pick them up and have a $34 burger AND avocado toast. Let's live well together.
This must scare them to death.
@futurebird
Medicare for ALL
Housing for ALL
Healthcare for ALL
Education for ALL
Food for ALL
Pricey Burgers (from time to time) for ALLProgressive taxation and regulations that ensure good living wages are the right ways to deal with income inequality NOT withholding services from people because they are "too rich" to get them.
