They pay $34 for burgers.
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They pay $34 for burgers. Should their fire department service be free? Opening a new fire department in one of NYC's richest neighborhoods has some of America's pettiest journalists asking silly questions in headlines again.
The article acknowledges the fire department analogy, then blows past it.
️The solve for "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out," is "Address that racism."
It's not "Therefore waste incredible amounts of time and money trying to means test something that society should just make available to all.
"Some of NYC's poorest people WORK in the wealthiest neighborhoods. And although there is income segregation in NYC it's never absolute. There are poor people in every single neighborhood.
But also the best way to ensure a public service is high quality is to make it so everyone uses it. Things just "for the poor" tend to slowly become terrible.
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They pay $34 for burgers. Should their fire department service be free? Opening a new fire department in one of NYC's richest neighborhoods has some of America's pettiest journalists asking silly questions in headlines again.
The article acknowledges the fire department analogy, then blows past it.
️The solve for "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out," is "Address that racism."
It's not "Therefore waste incredible amounts of time and money trying to means test something that society should just make available to all.
"At this point I respond to this stuff with. "It's not gonna work. We're still raising your taxes. Frankly, I'd do it and burn the money at this point."
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@mekkaokereke
When school lunch programs throw out the "who deserves to get free lunches?" and just provide for every child, the entire program is cheaper due to the lack of an enforcement layer, all children get fed, and children learn more and pay attention better.Being overly concerned that someone might get something they don't "deserve" usually ends up screwing over the ones who need help most.
We're supposed to "promote the general welfare" of the public - not gate-keep who gets help.
@realtegan the Black Panthers provided free school meals. That was effective. And that was why the government criminalized them. @mekkaokereke
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They pay $34 for burgers. Should their fire department service be free? Opening a new fire department in one of NYC's richest neighborhoods has some of America's pettiest journalists asking silly questions in headlines again.
The article acknowledges the fire department analogy, then blows past it.
️The solve for "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out," is "Address that racism."
It's not "Therefore waste incredible amounts of time and money trying to means test something that society should just make available to all.
"Also with how expensive food is IDK if "$34 burger" has the sting it once had.
You can spend $34 at the groceries and only have like four items in a tiny bag, maybe enough for two meals. $34 burger probably means everything is too expensive even less fancy options.
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Also with how expensive food is IDK if "$34 burger" has the sting it once had.
You can spend $34 at the groceries and only have like four items in a tiny bag, maybe enough for two meals. $34 burger probably means everything is too expensive even less fancy options.
The $34 burger isn't the alien concept it once was because food is just that expensive. You want to eat at a restaurant? Get delivery and have the burger be ... good? It's going to cost.
So is the theory that everyone should eat canned cabbage and potatoes boiled at home?
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They pay $34 for burgers. Should their fire department service be free? Opening a new fire department in one of NYC's richest neighborhoods has some of America's pettiest journalists asking silly questions in headlines again.
The article acknowledges the fire department analogy, then blows past it.
️The solve for "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out," is "Address that racism."
It's not "Therefore waste incredible amounts of time and money trying to means test something that society should just make available to all.
"Sorry for so many replies but the more I think about this the more it annoys me. What does a $34 burger represent here? It represents living well in a somewhat modest way. Having enough money to get things you enjoy that are maybe a little expensive if you feel like it now and then.
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Sorry for so many replies but the more I think about this the more it annoys me. What does a $34 burger represent here? It represents living well in a somewhat modest way. Having enough money to get things you enjoy that are maybe a little expensive if you feel like it now and then.
Now why exactly is a $34 burger incompatible with having excellent public services your pay for with taxes?
Schools aren't charity operations, this isn't a band-aid for the desperate. It's something people should look from other cities at and say "I wish my city had that"
Drop of your kids and trust they are safe AND learning while you are at work. Pick them up and have a $34 burger AND avocado toast. Let's live well together.
This must scare them to death.
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The $34 burger isn't the alien concept it once was because food is just that expensive. You want to eat at a restaurant? Get delivery and have the burger be ... good? It's going to cost.
So is the theory that everyone should eat canned cabbage and potatoes boiled at home?
@futurebird @mekkaokereke the UK has been at this a little longer than the US and sadly the answer is "yes."
Lee Anderson is the worst one for it but there's long been members of parliament suggesting people complaining about food prices live off what basically amounts to gruel. barley porridge, wheat biscuits, boiled rice with kidney beans, every single day, and the fact that The Poors are not doing this and complaining about being hungry is proof of their entitlement.
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@futurebird @mekkaokereke the UK has been at this a little longer than the US and sadly the answer is "yes."
Lee Anderson is the worst one for it but there's long been members of parliament suggesting people complaining about food prices live off what basically amounts to gruel. barley porridge, wheat biscuits, boiled rice with kidney beans, every single day, and the fact that The Poors are not doing this and complaining about being hungry is proof of their entitlement.
@PsyChuan @futurebird @mekkaokereke
If I'm not mistaken, it was the NYT who published an article about stretching the food budget by having cereal for more meals wasn't it?
It was truly impressive rich people water carrying.
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They pay $34 for burgers. Should their fire department service be free? Opening a new fire department in one of NYC's richest neighborhoods has some of America's pettiest journalists asking silly questions in headlines again.
The article acknowledges the fire department analogy, then blows past it.
️The solve for "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out," is "Address that racism."
It's not "Therefore waste incredible amounts of time and money trying to means test something that society should just make available to all.
"@mekkaokereke I swear there must be some special type of American liberal that if you leave them five minutes alone with the task to implement a very simple socialdemocrat service that is commonplace in the rest of the world, they will misconstrue it in their head so badly that they will come back to you with a reinvention of segregation
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@mekkaokereke I swear there must be some special type of American liberal that if you leave them five minutes alone with the task to implement a very simple socialdemocrat service that is commonplace in the rest of the world, they will misconstrue it in their head so badly that they will come back to you with a reinvention of segregation
@mekkaokereke (this is not specifically only about this article, though it triggered my memory of this phenomenon. I shall never forget the time I saw California renewable energy guy vehemently insist that obviously wheelchairs should not be allowed into walkable cities but that'll be a price worth paying)
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They pay $34 for burgers. Should their fire department service be free? Opening a new fire department in one of NYC's richest neighborhoods has some of America's pettiest journalists asking silly questions in headlines again.
The article acknowledges the fire department analogy, then blows past it.
️The solve for "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out," is "Address that racism."
It's not "Therefore waste incredible amounts of time and money trying to means test something that society should just make available to all.
"@mekkaokereke
"They get paid good money for complaining that consumers of public services don't eat dirt, should journalists be allowed to drive on public roads?" -
Now why exactly is a $34 burger incompatible with having excellent public services your pay for with taxes?
Schools aren't charity operations, this isn't a band-aid for the desperate. It's something people should look from other cities at and say "I wish my city had that"
Drop of your kids and trust they are safe AND learning while you are at work. Pick them up and have a $34 burger AND avocado toast. Let's live well together.
This must scare them to death.
@futurebird
Medicare for ALL
Housing for ALL
Healthcare for ALL
Education for ALL
Food for ALL
Pricey Burgers (from time to time) for ALLProgressive taxation and regulations that ensure good living wages are the right ways to deal with income inequality NOT withholding services from people because they are "too rich" to get them.
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@futurebird
Medicare for ALL
Housing for ALL
Healthcare for ALL
Education for ALL
Food for ALL
Pricey Burgers (from time to time) for ALLProgressive taxation and regulations that ensure good living wages are the right ways to deal with income inequality NOT withholding services from people because they are "too rich" to get them.
@futurebird
I bet they really think they are riding the wave of hostility towards the ultra-wealthy on this one. What absolutely bad faith reporting. -
They pay $34 for burgers. Should their fire department service be free? Opening a new fire department in one of NYC's richest neighborhoods has some of America's pettiest journalists asking silly questions in headlines again.
The article acknowledges the fire department analogy, then blows past it.
️The solve for "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out," is "Address that racism."
It's not "Therefore waste incredible amounts of time and money trying to means test something that society should just make available to all.
"@mekkaokereke excluding the richer people from something like that looks like a sure way to get them to oppose it. They'll end up seing themselves as the ones paying for it and will resent not getting access to it.
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@realtegan @mekkaokereke Free school lunches for all is what Democrats and Gov. Walz did in Minnesota.
@blainecross @realtegan @mekkaokereke Massachusetts has it now too, thankfully!
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@futurebird @mekkaokereke the UK has been at this a little longer than the US and sadly the answer is "yes."
Lee Anderson is the worst one for it but there's long been members of parliament suggesting people complaining about food prices live off what basically amounts to gruel. barley porridge, wheat biscuits, boiled rice with kidney beans, every single day, and the fact that The Poors are not doing this and complaining about being hungry is proof of their entitlement.
@PsyChuan @futurebird @mekkaokereke
If eating sawdust is starting to feel too bland,
why not liven it up by adding a few stinging nettles? -
@PsyChuan @futurebird @mekkaokereke
If I'm not mistaken, it was the NYT who published an article about stretching the food budget by having cereal for more meals wasn't it?
It was truly impressive rich people water carrying.
@chu @futurebird @mekkaokereke i mean it's not really carrying water for them when it IS them, is it. the NYT can afford its own skyscraper, anything editorial is going to be affected by that.
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@paul_ipv6 @realtegan @blainecross @mekkaokereke Is there really anything more important on earth than feeding and nurturing our children? Should anyone really care about what it costs? Aren't they all our children, and therefore our future as a species? Never mind whether they're genetically related to us or not, are they not still ours in the most fundamental sense imaginable? What is wrong with these people who only see in them something to constrain, deprive and punish?
@mekkaokereke @Canevecchio @realtegan @paul_ipv6 @blainecross insist that they be born (anti abortion) just so they can be starved later. Another form of abuse and now there’s an endless supply.
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@hugoestr @mekkaokereke if it didn’t have holes it would be a social safety blanket!
@hugoestr @mekkaokereke my own joke is making me sad because that actually sounds lovely. “Hey, resident, feel nice and cozy in security from the worst of your needs. Your fellows care enough about you to make sure that you’re provided for” is just better than “We’ll catch you when you fall, it’s terribly likely, sorry about that and all,” which in turn is better than what we actually have…
