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New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."→ https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

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  • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

    New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
    → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

    farbenstau@infosec.exchangeF This user is from outside of this forum
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    farbenstau@infosec.exchange
    wrote sidst redigeret af
    #6

    @davidrevoy

    Please have a proper lawyer with copyright/licensing experience look at your idea of how to license your comics in the future.

    I am pretty sure you cannot legally use a "CC-something" with an additional "no AI" clause, because then the folks behind the CC licensing might send you a cease and desist letter, since they don't approve of a CC-but-no-AI-use license just yet.

    You will probably have to come up with an entire license text of your own, and call it something like the David-Revoy-no-AI-License.

    f4grx@chaos.socialF linebyline@mastoart.socialL davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD cy@fedicy.us.toC 4 Replies Last reply
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    • f4grx@chaos.socialF f4grx@chaos.social

      @davidrevoy omg omg omg I cant stop comparing and finding violations omg not the same drawing this is horrific aaaaaa must clean eyes

      h5e@tech.lgbtH This user is from outside of this forum
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      h5e@tech.lgbt
      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #7

      @f4grx @davidrevoy why do people even *do* that??

      “hey artist i like your work anyway i used a machine to make it better maybe you’ll like it” seems like a very deranged thing to do and yet

      f4grx@chaos.socialF bredroll@mas.toB richrockster@mastodon.socialR 3 Replies Last reply
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      • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

        New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
        → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

        sbourne@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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        sbourne@mastodon.social
        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #8

        @davidrevoy That's awful. They made it look like she's singing, all the grief washed away.

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        • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

          New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
          → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

          efi@chitter.xyzE This user is from outside of this forum
          efi@chitter.xyzE This user is from outside of this forum
          efi@chitter.xyz
          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #9

          @davidrevoy HELLING FUK THE ARM!!

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          • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

            New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
            → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

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            avincentinspace@furry.engineer
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #10

            @davidrevoy I wholeheartedly agree with your mission and wish you the very best of luck enforcing that license.

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            • h5e@tech.lgbtH h5e@tech.lgbt

              @f4grx @davidrevoy why do people even *do* that??

              “hey artist i like your work anyway i used a machine to make it better maybe you’ll like it” seems like a very deranged thing to do and yet

              f4grx@chaos.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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              f4grx@chaos.social
              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #11

              @h5e @davidrevoy I agree, it's deranged.

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              • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
                → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

                giacomo@snac.tesio.itG This user is from outside of this forum
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                giacomo@snac.tesio.it
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #12
                @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                Consider to also add an explicit "training fee". Something like: you can use any of my images for generative AI training for 10€ each pixel.
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                • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                  New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
                  → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

                  cwebber@social.coopC This user is from outside of this forum
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                  cwebber@social.coop
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #13

                  @davidrevoy Glad you are doing something, a little uncertain what the license is exactly. But also, I kind of suspect, all of this stuff is a violation of even CC BY if these licenses were actually enforced and the other FOSS orgs who might have influenced things hadn't dropped the ball; there's simply no way to preserve the "attribution soup" of these works...

                  dajb@social.coopD cwebber@social.coopC ryunoki@layer8.spaceR 3 Replies Last reply
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                  • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                    New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
                    → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

                    mhunt@socel.netM This user is from outside of this forum
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                    mhunt@socel.net
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #14

                    @davidrevoy laws are too slow updating to the use of A.I. I'm sorry you have to go trough this.

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                    • farbenstau@infosec.exchangeF farbenstau@infosec.exchange

                      @davidrevoy

                      Please have a proper lawyer with copyright/licensing experience look at your idea of how to license your comics in the future.

                      I am pretty sure you cannot legally use a "CC-something" with an additional "no AI" clause, because then the folks behind the CC licensing might send you a cease and desist letter, since they don't approve of a CC-but-no-AI-use license just yet.

                      You will probably have to come up with an entire license text of your own, and call it something like the David-Revoy-no-AI-License.

                      f4grx@chaos.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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                      f4grx@chaos.social
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #15

                      @farbenstau @davidrevoy you can add exceptions to licenses. It renders them incompatible but thats the exact goal.

                      farbenstau@infosec.exchangeF scriptfanix@maly.ioS 2 Replies Last reply
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                      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                        @davidrevoy Glad you are doing something, a little uncertain what the license is exactly. But also, I kind of suspect, all of this stuff is a violation of even CC BY if these licenses were actually enforced and the other FOSS orgs who might have influenced things hadn't dropped the ball; there's simply no way to preserve the "attribution soup" of these works...

                        dajb@social.coopD This user is from outside of this forum
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                        dajb@social.coop
                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #16

                        @cwebber @davidrevoy Isn't this what CC BY-ND is for? 🤔

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                        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                          @davidrevoy Glad you are doing something, a little uncertain what the license is exactly. But also, I kind of suspect, all of this stuff is a violation of even CC BY if these licenses were actually enforced and the other FOSS orgs who might have influenced things hadn't dropped the ball; there's simply no way to preserve the "attribution soup" of these works...

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                          cwebber@social.coop
                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                          #17

                          @davidrevoy Are you doing this *in addition to* CC BY / CC BY-SA btw?

                          Note that it might be possible: CC BY's legal code says:

                          > Moral rights, such as the right of integrity, are not licensed under this Public License, nor are publicity, privacy, and/or other similar personality rights; however, to the extent possible, the Licensor waives and/or agrees not to assert any such rights held by the Licensor to the limited extent necessary to allow You to exercise the Licensed Rights, but not otherwise.

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                          • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                            @davidrevoy Are you doing this *in addition to* CC BY / CC BY-SA btw?

                            Note that it might be possible: CC BY's legal code says:

                            > Moral rights, such as the right of integrity, are not licensed under this Public License, nor are publicity, privacy, and/or other similar personality rights; however, to the extent possible, the Licensor waives and/or agrees not to assert any such rights held by the Licensor to the limited extent necessary to allow You to exercise the Licensed Rights, but not otherwise.

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                            cwebber@social.coop
                            wrote sidst redigeret af
                            #18

                            @davidrevoy Hm, re-reading, maybe not possible to do in addition to this term. It's been so long since I thought about moral rights clauses.

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                            • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                              New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
                              → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

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                              discatte@digipres.club
                              wrote sidst redigeret af
                              #19

                              @davidrevoy I had someone post aigen derivatives of some old 3d artists I was sharing back in the twitter days. I can only imagine the feeling of seeing that of my own works.

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                              • f4grx@chaos.socialF f4grx@chaos.social

                                @farbenstau @davidrevoy you can add exceptions to licenses. It renders them incompatible but thats the exact goal.

                                farbenstau@infosec.exchangeF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                farbenstau@infosec.exchange
                                wrote sidst redigeret af
                                #20

                                @f4grx @davidrevoy But you are normally not allowed to call them by the original license name, because the original creator of the license has a right to the name. Just like you cannot commercially sell Mercedes cars with original Mercedes branding still on them when you've swapped out the engines for your custom, non-Mercedes ones.

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                                • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                                  New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
                                  → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

                                  be@floss.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  be@floss.social
                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #21

                                  @davidrevoy I'm sorry you have to do this.

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                                  • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                                    New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
                                    → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

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                                    josch@floss.social
                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #22

                                    @davidrevoy I'm 100% with you on this. All power to you! I hope things will get better for you.

                                    For my own software I had a clause "You are not allowed to use this software to train your LLM" until Guillem Jover (dpkg) pointed out that this would make my software non-free in the eyes of the Debian Free Software Guidelines and other definitions of free software (use for any endeavor).

                                    It's a pity that the principles on which free software was founded decades ago can now be used against it.

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                                    • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                                      New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
                                      → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

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                                      grum999@social.maou-maou.fr
                                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                                      #23

                                      @davidrevoy olalala nan mais quelle misère...
                                      Comment c'est possible ? Si les personnes qui t'écrivent avec leurs propositions s'intéressaient un temps soit peu à ton travail, ils devraient comprendre que l'IA n'est pas la bienvenue..

                                      Courage

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                                      • davidrevoy@framapiaf.orgD davidrevoy@framapiaf.org

                                        New blog post "License update: AI derivation prohibited on all my art, lore, stories, and comics."
                                        → https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1178/license-update-ai-derivation-prohibited-on-all-my-art-lore-stories-and-comics

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                                        johnjburnsiii@kzoo.to
                                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                                        #24

                                        @davidrevoy

                                        Finished? In their eyes maybe...

                                        But what if you were planning to go all Goth with it...

                                        Or pastel...

                                        ----
                                        Let the originators do the finishing.

                                        #Geez
                                        😱

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                                        • dajb@social.coopD dajb@social.coop

                                          @cwebber @davidrevoy Isn't this what CC BY-ND is for? 🤔

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                                          poleguy@mastodon.social
                                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                                          #25

                                          @dajb @cwebber @davidrevoy I'd think it would be easier to start with CC BY-ND and then add an exception to allow for derivatives if they were not AI.

                                          However, I am not a lawyer. Also: possession is nine-tenths of the law, and the AI companies have already trained on the data.

                                          Laws, contracts and licenses are only useful if all parties actually agree to the terms. The written text of the licenses is really only to avoid confusion about the agreement. But the AI companies don't show good faith.

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