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  • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

    @stefano wait, what’s the FreeBSD equivalent of “apt update && apt upgrade” ?!

    subnetspider@mastodon.bsd.cafeS This user is from outside of this forum
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    #46

    @slothrop @stefano With the old freebsd-update method, it's:
    freebsd-update fetch && freebsd-update install

    With the new pkgbase method (FreeBSD 16 will remove freebsd-update), it is:
    pkg update && pkg upgrade

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    • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

      I got a call from someone I don't know.

      "Hi. We have a FreeBSD server. It's been working perfectly for years, but it hasn't been updated since then. We asked AI to update it, but now it won't boot anymore. It didn't even make a backup before starting. The AI keeps trying things, everything is down, and we've already spent over €500 in tokens. Can you help us?"

      "Sure. €500, plus the time it'll take me to try to fix it. Assuming it can still be fixed and nothing important has been deleted."

      "That much?"

      Some silence.

      "Well, I hope AI takes your job away!" And he hung up.

      Believing that autopilot automatically makes you an invulnerable professional pilot will ruin far more people than job losses will.

      I don't know if AI will take my job away, but it's already cost them €500 and, probably, their server.

      #IT #SysAdmin

      ox1de@cyberplace.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
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      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #47

      @stefano the app ecosystem and social networks have created a

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      • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

        I got a call from someone I don't know.

        "Hi. We have a FreeBSD server. It's been working perfectly for years, but it hasn't been updated since then. We asked AI to update it, but now it won't boot anymore. It didn't even make a backup before starting. The AI keeps trying things, everything is down, and we've already spent over €500 in tokens. Can you help us?"

        "Sure. €500, plus the time it'll take me to try to fix it. Assuming it can still be fixed and nothing important has been deleted."

        "That much?"

        Some silence.

        "Well, I hope AI takes your job away!" And he hung up.

        Believing that autopilot automatically makes you an invulnerable professional pilot will ruin far more people than job losses will.

        I don't know if AI will take my job away, but it's already cost them €500 and, probably, their server.

        #IT #SysAdmin

        jaypeach53@calckeymusic.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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        jaypeach53@calckeymusic.social
        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #48

        @stefano@bsd.cafe just desserts for that IT guy, I won’t say IT professional, because he’s a clown in a clown suit.

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        • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

          I got a call from someone I don't know.

          "Hi. We have a FreeBSD server. It's been working perfectly for years, but it hasn't been updated since then. We asked AI to update it, but now it won't boot anymore. It didn't even make a backup before starting. The AI keeps trying things, everything is down, and we've already spent over €500 in tokens. Can you help us?"

          "Sure. €500, plus the time it'll take me to try to fix it. Assuming it can still be fixed and nothing important has been deleted."

          "That much?"

          Some silence.

          "Well, I hope AI takes your job away!" And he hung up.

          Believing that autopilot automatically makes you an invulnerable professional pilot will ruin far more people than job losses will.

          I don't know if AI will take my job away, but it's already cost them €500 and, probably, their server.

          #IT #SysAdmin

          ox1de@cyberplace.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
          ox1de@cyberplace.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
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          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #49

          @stefano apps and social networks have spawned a generation of people who think they shouldn’t have to pay for anything. Only they should make money not you.

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          • ox1de@cyberplace.socialO ox1de@cyberplace.social

            @stefano apps and social networks have spawned a generation of people who think they shouldn’t have to pay for anything. Only they should make money not you.

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            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #50

            @Ox1de @stefano : well, they are perfectly fine paying a lot of money to big corporations (Microsoft or Google, Apple for the laptops, OpenAI, Anthropic…)

            They just don’t want to pay an human.

            Probably because they are uncomfortable with the fact that this human will know more about the subject than they are.

            (I mean, 500€ is cheap ! They already wasted as much without batting an eye )

            But very good call: 500€ to undo the shit done by LLMs!

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            • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

              I got a call from someone I don't know.

              "Hi. We have a FreeBSD server. It's been working perfectly for years, but it hasn't been updated since then. We asked AI to update it, but now it won't boot anymore. It didn't even make a backup before starting. The AI keeps trying things, everything is down, and we've already spent over €500 in tokens. Can you help us?"

              "Sure. €500, plus the time it'll take me to try to fix it. Assuming it can still be fixed and nothing important has been deleted."

              "That much?"

              Some silence.

              "Well, I hope AI takes your job away!" And he hung up.

              Believing that autopilot automatically makes you an invulnerable professional pilot will ruin far more people than job losses will.

              I don't know if AI will take my job away, but it's already cost them €500 and, probably, their server.

              #IT #SysAdmin

              subnetspider@mastodon.bsd.cafeS This user is from outside of this forum
              subnetspider@mastodon.bsd.cafeS This user is from outside of this forum
              subnetspider@mastodon.bsd.cafe
              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #51

              @stefano I bet the LMM agent upgraded and rebooted FreeBSD without updating the boot code, something which is documented in both the FreeBSD upgrading instructions and in the FreeBSD handbook.

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              • ricardo@mastodon.bsd.cafeR ricardo@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                @stefano and that's why you need an AI voice receptionist to handle these calls 🙊

                tionisla@mastodon.bsd.cafeT This user is from outside of this forum
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                tionisla@mastodon.bsd.cafe
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #52

                @ricardo @stefano

                Ai Receptionist: Ciao, I'm your friendly AI voice receptionist. How can I help you?

                Customer: Eh, ciao... Our LLM botched our FreeBSD server upgrade, didn't take backups, and we already spent a lot of tokens and it's still trying... Can you help?

                AI Receptionist: You were absolutely right to reach out. I assure you I can help. You want me to support your AI Agent in further botching your upgrade and spend more tokens on the task. It's good there's no backup in the way, so we both won't be running out of disk space.
                Hang on while I make contact with your bankaccount for more tokens, and access to your network to team up with your AI. Thanks for calling.

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                • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                  I got a call from someone I don't know.

                  "Hi. We have a FreeBSD server. It's been working perfectly for years, but it hasn't been updated since then. We asked AI to update it, but now it won't boot anymore. It didn't even make a backup before starting. The AI keeps trying things, everything is down, and we've already spent over €500 in tokens. Can you help us?"

                  "Sure. €500, plus the time it'll take me to try to fix it. Assuming it can still be fixed and nothing important has been deleted."

                  "That much?"

                  Some silence.

                  "Well, I hope AI takes your job away!" And he hung up.

                  Believing that autopilot automatically makes you an invulnerable professional pilot will ruin far more people than job losses will.

                  I don't know if AI will take my job away, but it's already cost them €500 and, probably, their server.

                  #IT #SysAdmin

                  woozle@toot.catW This user is from outside of this forum
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                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #53

                  @stefano I honestly have to wonder if they will learn from this -- any more than, say, Tr💩mp voters have learned from their experiences over the last decade...

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                  • tionisla@mastodon.bsd.cafeT tionisla@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                    @ricardo @stefano

                    Ai Receptionist: Ciao, I'm your friendly AI voice receptionist. How can I help you?

                    Customer: Eh, ciao... Our LLM botched our FreeBSD server upgrade, didn't take backups, and we already spent a lot of tokens and it's still trying... Can you help?

                    AI Receptionist: You were absolutely right to reach out. I assure you I can help. You want me to support your AI Agent in further botching your upgrade and spend more tokens on the task. It's good there's no backup in the way, so we both won't be running out of disk space.
                    Hang on while I make contact with your bankaccount for more tokens, and access to your network to team up with your AI. Thanks for calling.

                    ricardo@mastodon.bsd.cafeR This user is from outside of this forum
                    ricardo@mastodon.bsd.cafeR This user is from outside of this forum
                    ricardo@mastodon.bsd.cafe
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #54

                    @Tionisla @stefano 😆

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                    • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                      I got a call from someone I don't know.

                      "Hi. We have a FreeBSD server. It's been working perfectly for years, but it hasn't been updated since then. We asked AI to update it, but now it won't boot anymore. It didn't even make a backup before starting. The AI keeps trying things, everything is down, and we've already spent over €500 in tokens. Can you help us?"

                      "Sure. €500, plus the time it'll take me to try to fix it. Assuming it can still be fixed and nothing important has been deleted."

                      "That much?"

                      Some silence.

                      "Well, I hope AI takes your job away!" And he hung up.

                      Believing that autopilot automatically makes you an invulnerable professional pilot will ruin far more people than job losses will.

                      I don't know if AI will take my job away, but it's already cost them €500 and, probably, their server.

                      #IT #SysAdmin

                      makdaam@chaos.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #55

                      @stefano Good thing they didn't hire you to get blamed for the whole thing.

                      We've had a similar thing (alas without AI, just lack of maintenance because they didn't pay their only admin) to a medium sized hosting company in Poland in 2016 (Adweb/2be.pl).

                      An IT company offered to help in incident response mode, after everything got fixed the hosting company said they won't pay the high fees for the response, IT company restored old snapshots, then got blamed for all kinds of made up issues.

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                      • distrowatch@mastodon.socialD distrowatch@mastodon.social

                        @stefano I recently had someone ask me to set up WordPress for them. I agreed and they asked if I would be using AI to do the work. I assured them no, it is a simple (for me) task which takes just a few minutes.

                        They then clarified they were asking me to use AI to do the install. They thought using AI would somehow make the vanilla WordPress setup better. They were fine with it taking longer, even, if I somehow involved AI in the process they had already offloaded to me.

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                        gbargoud@masto.nyc
                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #56

                        @distrowatch @stefano

                        It is truly wild that this idea that things are more trustworthy if they're said by a computer somehow took hold among so many people.

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                        • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                          I got a call from someone I don't know.

                          "Hi. We have a FreeBSD server. It's been working perfectly for years, but it hasn't been updated since then. We asked AI to update it, but now it won't boot anymore. It didn't even make a backup before starting. The AI keeps trying things, everything is down, and we've already spent over €500 in tokens. Can you help us?"

                          "Sure. €500, plus the time it'll take me to try to fix it. Assuming it can still be fixed and nothing important has been deleted."

                          "That much?"

                          Some silence.

                          "Well, I hope AI takes your job away!" And he hung up.

                          Believing that autopilot automatically makes you an invulnerable professional pilot will ruin far more people than job losses will.

                          I don't know if AI will take my job away, but it's already cost them €500 and, probably, their server.

                          #IT #SysAdmin

                          pvd1313@mastodon.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
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                          pvd1313@mastodon.social
                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                          #57

                          @stefano There`s some of a wisdom called "Скупой платит дважды". Well, in their case they will most likely pay three times 🙂

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                          • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                            I got a call from someone I don't know.

                            "Hi. We have a FreeBSD server. It's been working perfectly for years, but it hasn't been updated since then. We asked AI to update it, but now it won't boot anymore. It didn't even make a backup before starting. The AI keeps trying things, everything is down, and we've already spent over €500 in tokens. Can you help us?"

                            "Sure. €500, plus the time it'll take me to try to fix it. Assuming it can still be fixed and nothing important has been deleted."

                            "That much?"

                            Some silence.

                            "Well, I hope AI takes your job away!" And he hung up.

                            Believing that autopilot automatically makes you an invulnerable professional pilot will ruin far more people than job losses will.

                            I don't know if AI will take my job away, but it's already cost them €500 and, probably, their server.

                            #IT #SysAdmin

                            bladecoder@androiddev.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                            wrote sidst redigeret af
                            #58

                            @stefano Reminds me of this

                            stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS boydstephensmithjr@hachyderm.ioB duncan_blues@norden.socialD 3 Replies Last reply
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                            • jspath55@chaos.socialJ jspath55@chaos.social

                              @stefano I almost think this story is unbelievable, except I know you well enough to be certain the tale, sadly, is true.
                              Sorry for their loss.
                              As the Monty Python troupe would say/yell: "run away!"

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                              wrote sidst redigeret af
                              #59

                              @stefano @jspath55 I definitely believe it. You'd be surprised how many company directors think you can cut corners on IT staff, yet will throw 5 figure sums on "services" to solve a problem. I had a boss like that once. I think he just liked shouting at companies, and got in the way of people trying to doing their job.
                              Some bosses are massive toddlers.

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                              • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                                I got a call from someone I don't know.

                                "Hi. We have a FreeBSD server. It's been working perfectly for years, but it hasn't been updated since then. We asked AI to update it, but now it won't boot anymore. It didn't even make a backup before starting. The AI keeps trying things, everything is down, and we've already spent over €500 in tokens. Can you help us?"

                                "Sure. €500, plus the time it'll take me to try to fix it. Assuming it can still be fixed and nothing important has been deleted."

                                "That much?"

                                Some silence.

                                "Well, I hope AI takes your job away!" And he hung up.

                                Believing that autopilot automatically makes you an invulnerable professional pilot will ruin far more people than job losses will.

                                I don't know if AI will take my job away, but it's already cost them €500 and, probably, their server.

                                #IT #SysAdmin

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                                lizette603_23@mastodon.social
                                wrote sidst redigeret af
                                #60

                                @stefano people are generally insane now. I'm sorry this asshole found you.

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                                • bob_zim@infosec.exchangeB bob_zim@infosec.exchange

                                  @somebody @wizbean @stefano Why would they make a backup? They told it to make no mistakes!

                                  skua@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #61

                                  @bob_zim @somebody @wizbean @stefano

                                  That really needs to be included in every prompt.

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                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #62

                                    @spacehobo @stefano Weird, it worked for Fleetwood Mac.

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                                    • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                                      I got a call from someone I don't know.

                                      "Hi. We have a FreeBSD server. It's been working perfectly for years, but it hasn't been updated since then. We asked AI to update it, but now it won't boot anymore. It didn't even make a backup before starting. The AI keeps trying things, everything is down, and we've already spent over €500 in tokens. Can you help us?"

                                      "Sure. €500, plus the time it'll take me to try to fix it. Assuming it can still be fixed and nothing important has been deleted."

                                      "That much?"

                                      Some silence.

                                      "Well, I hope AI takes your job away!" And he hung up.

                                      Believing that autopilot automatically makes you an invulnerable professional pilot will ruin far more people than job losses will.

                                      I don't know if AI will take my job away, but it's already cost them €500 and, probably, their server.

                                      #IT #SysAdmin

                                      meanmicio@todon.euM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                                      #63

                                      @stefano When karma meets AI and human stupidity 😜

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                                      • stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafeS stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                                        I got a call from someone I don't know.

                                        "Hi. We have a FreeBSD server. It's been working perfectly for years, but it hasn't been updated since then. We asked AI to update it, but now it won't boot anymore. It didn't even make a backup before starting. The AI keeps trying things, everything is down, and we've already spent over €500 in tokens. Can you help us?"

                                        "Sure. €500, plus the time it'll take me to try to fix it. Assuming it can still be fixed and nothing important has been deleted."

                                        "That much?"

                                        Some silence.

                                        "Well, I hope AI takes your job away!" And he hung up.

                                        Believing that autopilot automatically makes you an invulnerable professional pilot will ruin far more people than job losses will.

                                        I don't know if AI will take my job away, but it's already cost them €500 and, probably, their server.

                                        #IT #SysAdmin

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                                        bms@mastodon.bsd.cafe
                                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                                        #64

                                        @stefano Meh, just meh, this reminds me of all the thanks I didn't get when I saved the City of London prop trading desk I was contracting for by doing a live ext4 Linux filesystem recovery on an HP MSA based SAN.

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                                        • latelesley@mastodon.scotL latelesley@mastodon.scot

                                          @stefano @jspath55 I definitely believe it. You'd be surprised how many company directors think you can cut corners on IT staff, yet will throw 5 figure sums on "services" to solve a problem. I had a boss like that once. I think he just liked shouting at companies, and got in the way of people trying to doing their job.
                                          Some bosses are massive toddlers.

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                                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                                          #65

                                          @latelesley I would not be surprised given a few decades of #SAP and #ASUG community networking and corporate "life" of any behavior. The folks who #volunteer to manage groups and give talks gives me hope.
                                          cc: @gregorw et al

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